Old 10-5-2007, 05:42 PM   #1
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Ok, so before i get any smart comments, i'm not here to score furry rights or anything like that so be happy... and read

Actually, I want to talk about people in general (and yes, I am in fact a person and so include myself as one) So, to the topic. First let me ask a question. How many of you have ever been stereotyped? Called gothic, or emo, a prep or a nerd? Pretty much all of us right? Well, I'm going to attempt to make a difference in the world as much as i can.

you may have already seen this video *points down*
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but I think it's got a pretty important message. Why are people compelled to go to such lengths, and all we ever do is sit back, laugh and goad them on? It doesn't matter if you're sitting in the same room as a friend or someone that you absolutely hate, we need to get over our differences and at least try to accept each other. You may not like what someone stands for, or what they believe in, but it's not like you have to like or accept everthing that they do. Just attempt to get along, that's all I ask. Because at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, we all see the same moon, sun, and stars. We live in a society where a little love needs to be spread, because it isn't video games that make kids want to kill other kids, it the way that the other kids treated them. Who do we have left if we don't have each other? absolutely no one. i know i sound like a frikin pansy, but I fell it needed to be said. And I hope that you wouldn't be so self centered as to use this thread to say something rude to me or anyone else. And I hope that this thread has the slightest meaning to at least one person, and that that one person will keep this going and spread some good.
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Old 10-5-2007, 06:37 PM   #2
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What if one believes certain lifestyles to be culturally corrupting?

Sure, it doesn't hurt to say we should try to accept everyone, but you should know that your hippie gun (even when turned up to maximum flower power) is ineffective in the real world.

I don't think that we should blindly accept everyone, because that could be destructive on many different levels.

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Old 10-5-2007, 06:52 PM   #3
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What if one believes certain lifestyles to be culturally corrupting?

Sure, it doesn't hurt to say we should try to accept everyone, but you should know that your hippie gun (even when turned up to maximum flower power) is ineffective in the real world.

I don't think that we should blindly accept everyone, because that could be destructive on many different levels.

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i'm not saying that people should be blindly accepting. I realize that certain lifestyles can be corrupting/affecting, but don't you think this would happen regardless? Nothing can stay the same forever, and it would be foolish to think or even hope so. I know that by myself, no I can't really make much of a difference. But I do think that I can make the slightest difference, and every little bit counts
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Old 10-5-2007, 07:22 PM   #4
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So what's to discuss here? You acknowledge that your argument is flawed, but want to make it regardless.

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Old 10-5-2007, 09:35 PM   #5
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There are many points of views on this topic. I can completely see where you are coming from. I just want to say that many people in todays world are beginning to see this and understand that many times its the pressures of society which cause people to do these rebellious things. Main point is that people should change, but you can't blame this all on the society. Many people are just sick, and its our job to try to accept them, but once it gets to another level where its just too much, one has to let it go and at least know they tried to "get along'. Thats all I can say as I always try to get along, but its just human nature to fear what is different and in essence, that very thing may be what the community needs to learn to live with.
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Old 10-6-2007, 02:22 AM   #6
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So, are you saying that we should accept murderers for who they are sheerly based on the fact that a lot of them may have been abused and mocked throughout their lives?
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Old 10-6-2007, 02:34 AM   #7
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That was among the most idiotic and ridiculous attempt at making a statement I've ever seen.

So first they ask a bunch of questions about why humanity does stupid ****, say that they know the answer and say "Because people group themselves according to shared interests and worldviews" by listing off a bunch of stereotypes...

Where in there does that answer the question? Or prove they know anything about anything?

People kill people, have eating disorders, and abuse themselves and others because they associate with people who are like themselves? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Then they throw the ism card at us. "We say everyone's equal but we still judge people"

Where did you get the idea that equality meant no judgement? If everyone warrants equal consideration, I can still consider you equally and find you to be a worthless twat.

And trying to throw free speech at everyone? Absurd. You sure do have free speech, you also have the right to discover that there are consequences when you speak. I'm perfectly allowed to stand up and say that war is worthless, solves nothing, and that all soldiers are ignorant killers, and I'm also perfectly allowed to get punched in the face by a war veteran who risked their life defending the freedom I'm exercising by complaining.

Free Speech != Free from consequences.

Also, for irony points: "I'm sick of Judgement" is a judgement. They want to live in a world without judgements based solely on the fact that they judge the world.
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Old 10-6-2007, 02:45 AM   #8
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More on-topic, this video actually made me chuckle. "Labels," or "stereotypes," or whatever you want to call them, while they may be annoying or offensive to some, are -definitely- no cause for the problems facing the world today, and to blame them on kids who categorize themselves and others is silly.

If someone chooses to associate themselves with a certain group or clique, and they get made fun of, this is not NEARLY the same thing as people being tortured and abused, as the video blatantly says it is. It's high school. It doesn't last long =/
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Old 10-6-2007, 11:45 AM   #9
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Awww, c'mon people. Especially devonin, you've had smart points of view, I've thought on this for a few days. *She showed me in school* And I completely agree with her. Stereotypes, lables, everything, it makes sense it's prolly just that you are afraid of what's different and that's what makes you normal. I don't understand why anyone would be afraid of anyone that didn't have the intent to kill or harm. Not one person I've met, has wanted to hurt me in any way. If one is scared of what is different, the world won't get any farther than what it is now. And just might collapse into chaos. If one can accept, one can understand. If you understand that, than you understand where I am.
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I don't think I've shown a lack of a smart point of view here. The statements argued in that video make no sense, are contradictory, and put the blame for things on concepts that are in no way at fault.

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I'm pretty sure that I can group tall people into a sub-class in my head of "People who are tall" without implying that I'm afraid of them. Likewise, people who commonly engage in activities that I think of as 'nerdy' I can group in my mind (in fact they often choose to group themselves) as "Nerds" without in any way implying that I judge them or am afraid of them.

Why does acknowledgeing that not all people are identical always come out with negative connotations to people who've chosen to interpret it that way? Because they base so much of their personal identity on that concept, they really shouldn't be surprised if people relate to them on that concept.

In my highschool (I grew up in a -very- predominantly white town) I remember once there was a kid in a lower grade who was black. He went -very- far out of his way to appeal to every stereotype that existed for the black "gangsta" culture. Complete with walking, talking, acting, and dressing the part to the greatest extent that he could.

And then one day a supply teacher who was old enough to have grown up thinking "The ******" would be a perfectly valid way to describe him, in a class where he was the only non-white student, called on him by referring to him at "The black boy" and the kid (who as part of appealing to the stereotype had been in trouble for disregarding authority on many many occasions) flipped out, accused him of being a racsist and tried to get him fired for it.

Frankly, if I'm going to show up with greasy slicked back hair, big gold chains, a nice gold watch, three rings, and a shirt with the top two buttons undone. I can hardly be upset if people identify me predominantly as "That Italian guy"

There is only every a problem, and -definately- only an 'ism' going on, when in the process of identifying people as belonging to the category in which they belong, you also imply that you are better than they are because you are not part of that category.

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Awww, c'mon people. Especially devonin, you've had smart points of view, I've thought on this for a few days. *She showed me in school* And I completely agree with her. Stereotypes, lables, everything, it makes sense it's prolly just that you are afraid of what's different and that's what makes you normal. I don't understand why anyone would be afraid of anyone that didn't have the intent to kill or harm. Not one person I've met, has wanted to hurt me in any way. If one is scared of what is different, the world won't get any farther than what it is now. And just might collapse into chaos. If one can accept, one can understand. If you understand that, than you understand where I am.
You realize that your anti-prejudice, anti-stereotyping position is almost impossible to hold up when you're prejudicial and stereotypical yourself?

People more often than not are not thrust into labels, rather, they fit them quite well naturally based on a common interest and trait amongst others who do as well. Common interest groups exist everywhere, and these "cliques" (in the sense you use them, its derogatory) exist because of a common interest held amongst a group of people. Often these interests spread over a great range. It's not a coincidence that people often share both big and small interests. Interests aren't generally divvied out randomly. I bet a person who has had more of an experience with books and video games is more likely to like medieval things. Additionally, the people you are with may influence you (unconscious) or you may conform to the clique (conscious), thus converging you into the clique you've been in originally.

This is all important to understand. Labels are just a way of, well, labeling a clique, which are not inherently bad things. It's not out of "fear," I mean, seriously. Many psychologists believe that stereotypes are just ways to simplify the perception of a group of people, groups that many times people subject themselves to holding that stereotype. It's a stereotype to assume that all or even most stereotypes are inaccurate.

Even racial stereotypes may hold somewhat true, not because skin color gives you some magical properties, oh no. By prominently defining themselves as that minority, those people converge themselves into a group mentality, often held up by preexisting cultural background. Defining oneself more often as a minority, I would assume, comes from the mentality that they're different from the majority, while still having others who are like them. Being amongst a group of others who are of your same ethnic background breaks down barriers. For example, in a group of strictly Indian people, nobody has the ground to be racist. It's unfortunate, though, because ideally, all of that would be 100% arbitrary.
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