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Oh, and good job on apparently reading Zinn jewpin. |
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![]() Hey, Kilik, did you watch that video in my post? Did you even look at my post? I'm guessing you didn't. Also, I haven't read Zinn, most of my argument is based on common sense and a recent discussion in my Southern Border class about the parallels between the United State's involvement in the history of South America and other historical events. |
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Well, I'm out of valid arguments to support my stance on this issue. It's difficult being the minority opinion, isn't it? Sigh. Nice picture, jewpin, I see what you did there. I did watch the video, and Kilik's comment on the "Thank you, America", etc. pictures and signs are still very real. Of course those are never in the media, because the liberal media hates good news. Even if 70,000~+ Iraqi civilians have been so far (yes, I clicked the IBC link), that's still nothing in comparison to the over 1,000,000 Hussein was responsible for killing during his time ruling the nation with an iron gauntlet. Plus, it's not like those 70,000 deaths were directly the fault of just America; notice how I said "directly", so don't waste your finger strength keying out the fact that "it's our fault the Iraqis are dying at all in the first place". Especially since I did it for you. This may be looking at things through rose-colored glasses, but again, we are trying to help them, at least. There's hope for them becoming stabilized again with a much better government, a lot more than there was back when Hussein was still in power. He was an evil, evil man and he needed to be taken out (of power)--you can't possibly deny that. At risk of my temper, how could you just stand by and watch as a nation's people are mercilessly killed, some by means as gruesome as plastic-grinding machines, by the nation's own leader? That's sick.
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Saddam wasn't evil. The things known as evil are as human as anything else. Saddam was simply a man who took the wrong path on the road to salvation*. *in the sense that "salvation" is derived from a phrase meaning "to salt". In this sense we all require salvation to preserve us and keep us from going bad. |
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Every bit of credibility that you had left was destroyed the second I read that.
Whether it is true or not is another debate, but the parroting back of such obvious Conservative propaganda as if it served to prove a point just reeks of idiocy.
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Funny, because the months leading up to the Invasion of Iraq, the media was very pro-war. You weren't complaining then. Or during the Clinton administration when liberal bashing was all the rage. Also, I don't watch the news, it's a garbage. Everyone with half a brain knows that.
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I've yet to see a justification for the war that's not on false pretenses or unsubstantiated ideas.
That's the frustrating thing: you try to get people to defend their point of view, and instead you get "nyah nyah I'm not listening" the moment their pitiful logic collapses.
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Try explaining that you're more conservative than democratic, esp. in NJ amongst high schoolers (I am a libertarian, but if I had to choose on the one dimensional political spectrum, I am more conservative). Simple: you don't. You say you're a libertarian and, when they ask (it's inevitable), explain that libertarianism emphasizes personal and economic freedoms. You listen as the person you talk to says, "Oh, I do too!" Then you roll your eyes. Bush is not a republican. He is a big government, deficit spending evangelist. There hasn't been a republican in office after Reagan, which is unfortunate because he, for the most part, set a good example for the republican party. George Bush criticized Reagan's ideas on terrorism. In late 1983, he had troops deployed troops in Lebanon along with Israel, but Israel started pulling out. Later a major barracks bombing took place. He stood his ground at the time. But in early 1984, less than 6 months later, he finally went, "**** it, these guys are nuts." He pulled troops out of Beirut right away and started pulling them out of Lebanon. Greatest move in foreign policy in the last 25 years, no? Quote:
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I let Reason Magazine, Richard Dawkins, and post-1940's Milton Friedman think for me. They're usually right, anyway.
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All right, I've said stupid stuff to make people attack me!! Good to see I'm still normal. I'm going to stop trying to defend myself so much and just give in, since it seems the more and more I shout from up here on my pedestal, the more and more in-the-clouds my head seems to get. Better watch for those thunderheads approaching...
Meh. The feeling comes and goes. I'd respond to more of your responses, but I clearly don't have access to enough data to do this. My logic is a bit fuzzed right now, anyways, since in all honesty, I've stopped following the 'war' so much in the past year-ish. Not like I don't know at ALL what's happening, though. But, is it true that Bush is actually criticizing the Iraqi government in not working hard enough to properly train its military, or something to that end? This is the latest I've heard. Quote:
Really? That's so weird, I watch a lot of the news, and I really haven't noticed this. It's obviously not apparent from what I've been posting in this thread, but I'm an insightful person. I don't just accept what's thrown at me as the truth, and in all honesty, I hate a lot of Republicans just in general... CNN, ABC, Fox, Fox News, NBC...I'm not oblivious about this, too, am I?... ![]() Quote:
Namely, that I support fags having rights and killing babies and going against the will of God in general. That I'm lazy, that I "don't really do anything in Congress", don't finish what I start. That connotation. :/ Quote:
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I have a very open mind, thank you. Again, it may not seem like it, but I've read very carefully everything that's been said so far in this thread. I feel like a retard, naturally, since it's obvious that I wasn't thinking hard enough while smacking my keyboard to type out those previous 'replies'. Or, maybe I'm just making excuses now....*face-in-hand* I don't even know. ![]() Quote:
Three cheers for Comedy Central, producing something actually good for society.
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Being in support of freedom just sounds really good. Who wants to say they're anti-freedom?
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As of several years ago, yes. Our administration complained about the ineffectiveness of Iraqi military and security forces training and how only one out of about 9 initial groups was nearing operational status. I sort of wonder if progress has even occurred since then though, actually.
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This, I figured out pretty easily. I suppose it's pretty understandable.
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I may just do a bit of looking into this the next time I'm free of homework (read: never).
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President Bush made a speech tonight on the current status of Iraq and his plans for the future. Here's a transcript of the speech for your debating pleasure (taken, ironically, from a Fox News website)
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I tried making a drinking game out of the speech...you know, do a shot of whiskey every time the president said the words: freedom, WMD, al Qaeda, Terroris(t)(m), Iran, etc., but my liver quit halfway through the speech.
The democrat response was typical too...and by they I mean, it's the same crap that's been going on for 6 years. Nothing new. Iraq still sucks. Good things are happening, but the President admits that the war in Iraq (separate from the War on Terror) is a war that will not end on his term. Then he goes on to blame the Iraqi government for not doing it's job. So, we invaded a country, forced democracy upon them, things ain't working...and somehow it's the Iraqi government's fault. I also like how he blurred al-Qaeda and the insurgency in Iraq as if they are one and the same. They aren't, we are still fighting in Afghanistan. ps. Lulz at the letter. |
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