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Old 08-27-2007, 01:57 AM   #41
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Hydrogen bombs aren't the ones to worry about. Neutron Bombs on the other hand *shudder*
Hey I've got something interesting for you. Have you ever heard of the bomb referred to as the cobalt bomb (salted nuclear weapon). Do some research on this type of nuke. Apparently it is capable of wiping out all life on the planet.

*Now thats a shudder*

Thankfully, there is no evidence that a cobalt bomb exists and also that it was never built or used against Japan during World War II.

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Old 08-27-2007, 02:23 AM   #42
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Default Re: Should the States have dropped the atomic bombs?

Erm, I'm pretty sure that Atomic, and Hydrogen bombs are also pretty capable of wiping out all life on the planet.

The thing that sets the theoretical Cobalt Bomb apart from the others is that it creates a -lot- of radiation for quite a long time over a pretty large area. The proper parsing isn't "Wipe out all life" it is "Wipe out only life" because since the explosion itself is not especially large, but the radiation dispersal is, it would be incredibly useful as an attacking device because it would leave infrastructure intact (Though you're looking at a good 20 years before you could move into the area)

Thankfully, such a bomb doesn't exist, and as I recall, some tests of a nuclear device using Cobalt as a tracer failed miserably.

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Old 08-27-2007, 02:04 PM   #43
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Retrospect doesn't really care about that fact, though.


Wanna make things better? Go back in history and provide a better alternative. Since the bombs were dropped, though, our justification is what we have to keep us from tearing our hearts out too much.

Until we learn to time travel, "the best way" to deal with things is just a pipe dream.

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You have no idea how silly this post sounds to me. Discussion about other, possible alternatives, hoping to find 'the best way' to deal with a past scenario, is out of the question? Why the hell are we even discussing the issue then? Beyond being something to talk about, which is enough reason in and of itself, exploring other ways of doing things can be a very useful excersise for the future, in terms of understanding things and dealing with them. We don't always have the luxury of time to explore alternatives at key times, as has been pointed out. Best to do it now than never.

Rejecting a course of action while acknowledging it's usefulness is possible to do without getting depressed about it.

****, everything a person does is justified to someone, or else no one'd not do anything! Everyone, even crazy people, have their reasons.

The situation where bombs were dropped there was no immediate threat from Japan, and so yes, there WAS the luxury of taking time to think about other courses of action. I'm no military strategist or historian, but no one's yet to say that strategic, targeted bombing of key areas would've been stupid, or landing troops and taking control that way. Or simply upping defenses and let Japan shrivel from the inside. The ONLY reason people have said that we should've dropped the nukes because they're so sure that more people would've died if we didn't, ignoring that death over time is not the same as death all at once, and ignoring who was killed as well. Oh yes, and that people didn't want war anymore, if that can be said to be a reason.

Don't talk to me about the length of the war either, not for the US. They entered far later than any other allies.

jewp: I've discussed things outside of the historical context on this topic, because it's perfectly acceptable. Other people who have used outside historical context too, like "there's not the luxury during war". Furthermore, I've addressed things in context as well. Mookage's point, that Japan was having internal conflict, supports other things I've said. Perhaps you shouldn't be taking 1 post I've made out of the context of the rest of the posts made.

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Old 09-4-2007, 04:44 PM   #44
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Yep, you're gone.

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