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the above was by me....
oy, it keeps logging me out when I write these long posts... anybody know what's up with that? How do I fix it? (besides writing shorter posts/typing faster) |
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"Hell" as people define it, the eternal suffering of someone after this life, is reserved for those that followed Satan out of heaven and those who witnessed the literal acts of God and denied Him still (say, Judas). We believe there are 3 degrees of heaven, and even the lowest of these, were man to comprehend it, they'd kill themselves right then to go there. @ Peregrine and Jewpin: I'm not saying that they should endorse religion. That's not what I mean. I'm saying that the government is taking a stand AGAINST it, as in, they are not remaining neutral. If a kid is caught mumbling a prayer during the "thirty seconds of silence" after the Pledge, WHAMMO! SUSPENSION! That's bullcrap it my eyes. If the kid is bowing his head and not saying anything outloud, it's not a classroom disruption. No more than the tired kid that lays his head down on the desk is. That's what I meant by "forcing" atheist beliefs. Just like they claim Christian people "force" that there is a God on them, they force their idea that there is no God on us. Oh, and the concept of evolution is not atheist. Darwin was a devout Christian man himself. The idea that man came from apes, however, was not his own. People read that into his concept of "survival of the fittest" and claimed it was he that said so. Also, while we're going over religion... I dunno why, but I thought I'd point out my latest entry in my webjournal. (Link in sig.) Go take a look if you want.
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There's obviously a conflict of interest between the politicians who make these laws establishing the pledge and the minute (or 30 seconds in your case, our school had a minute) or silence, and the school administrators who have to implement these contradictory policies. |
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Sigh.... Where to start.... ok.
I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses, so without a doubt I believe... no, I know that there is no hell. Death is the absence of life, which constitutes nothingness. There is no punishment worse than death. In revelation, the "lake of fire" is spoken about. If you read further, you see that is actually says "this means/is/signifies (I can't remember the exact word used) the second death." This refers to the second dying after the ressurection and judgement of those who did not make it. There are two rewards for those who make are righteous (sp?). There are the righteous people and the exemplary who are concidered the annointed ones. The annointed will replace the 144 thousand angels that were lost and they will help god in heaven. The gathering of the annointed bagan at the beginning of the last days, which we have marked as 1914. The righteous will inhabit the earthly paradise. God said to Adam and Eve to 'inhabit the earth and be fruitful,' and that commandment has not deteriorated. It took a 'small' setback, but it is still the goal god has for mankind. As for religion in school, I know that the schools are not allowed to endorse religous "traditions" or "rituals". That also means that they can can not put things on you that are against your religion, such as movies you find offensive or assemblies that you disagree with. I do not believe in christmas, and so when the christmans assembly comes around, I abstain from going in that building, and there is nothing that they can do and there is no action that they can take against me. Any attempt is unconstitutional. As long as your prayer does not break a school rule, you are fine. A silent prayer kept fairly small breaks no school rule I know of. And as I said before, any attempt to punish you for that is unconstitutional. If you take that up to the main office and lay that in front of them and prove that you broke no rule, they have to drop it. Intolerance is everywhere, whether they are athesist or not; christian or not; there are always people who are intolerant. They have a church life and a non-church life. On constitutes a bible. the other is anywhere from intolerance to a gun. Example 1: Northern Ireland - Catholics versus Protestants. Example 2: Jeruselem - Israelis versus Palistinians. (Considered one of the most holy places in both of those religions; so holy they stain it in blood; some of it is innocent blood.) Well, the world isn't getting any better. |
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And I know Darwin was a hardcore Jesus Fan. I mean, he was on the path to becoming a Priest, or Minister,or whatever they are called. But Darwin is sort of the symbol of Atheism (well, the Darwin Fish is at least.) But if you want my honest opinion (though no one asked for it) it is that Religion will led to the end of the Humankind. (save Eastern, and other Peaceful religions). |
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The world is taking a stonger stance against religion because of the overwhelming freedoms that this country is giving us. People wan't to bitch, people want complain, it's human nature, it will always be. Prayer should be allowed wherever the INDIVIDUAL wants to facilitate it to his or herself, however forcing your beliefs on another is unconsititutional and is wrong. People should be allowed to pray in school, however they cannot use school as a mechanism to further their own religions, and the school itself cannot endorse religious groups, unless their activities take place before or after school hours, but only then.
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God help you people, lol.
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I found the news about Sony in Laharl's journal more interesting than what he said about religion.
I think I'm going to hell. Haha, but in all seriousness : I'm not exactly a religious person... there could or there could not be a God, I don't know. However, I believe in letting people believe what they want to believe and do want they want to do. If you're religious, I'm not going to launch into a diatribe about how "religion is wrong", because, honestly, I don't know myself. I don't believe there's a hell... in both of the scenarios (God or no God), there is either no hell because : God is supposed to love us eternally, and I don't think he would let us suffer for all eternity (what Arch said), or because, if there's no God, why would there be a hell? Logically we can assume that there will not be an "opposite" of something that doesn't exist. Anyway, just my two cents. Oh yeah, and Sony sucks.
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The problem is the people BEHIND the religions, as I've said umpteenmillion times. Christianity IS a peaceful religion. But a lot of people in it tend to feel you are supposed to hate those that sin, which is just stupid. It says IN THE BIBLE to "love thy neighbor." Actually, I think the exact words are "love thy neighbor as thee love thyself." In Matthew, there are some verses that basically say love those that oppress and oppose you, because even sinners and people without character can love those that care for them.
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i am a strong christain and blah blah all of that. after raeding some of these posts, i have realized that i can be quite closed-minded when discussing my beliefs with someone of another religion/belief. it's true that hardcore christains truly are some of the best people on earth. before i started at my church, i had no real "friends", but these people have stuck with me, even when i have had doubts about what they and myself believed. and i feel that if i don't have the right to preach about my God in school, then they shouldn't be allowed to teach me the big bang theory and the theory of evolultion, because these are things that i don't believe in. thanks everybody for posting..some of you have opened my eyes about some things..i am not the only person on earth with beliefs..i am just hard-headed. peace be with you all ~~Samantha~~
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I'm proud to say that I'm close-minded. There are things I will never do, nor ever believe are right. I'm 100% positive I'm right, and those that disagree are, well, wrong. I'm sure they feel I'm 100% wrong and them totally right, so it's a fun cycle. Quote:
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And also, please don't make uneducated remarks about a person's religion. Mine or anyone else's. I took very high offense to the remark early in the thread about "having complete faith in a book" or something like that. 1. The bible isn't A book, it consists of 66 seperate books, gathered together by the early church, and put together into one big "file cabinet." 2. Here are some facts on the bible... Everyone in school has read the Illiad right? how many manuscripts were found for that book? 643, a HUGE number! no one ever questions the authenticity of that book, well how bout Plato? only 7 for him but not a single person questions if he wrote that. aristotle has 49, and Sophocles 193. so the illiad and sophocles seem to be leading in this one, well For The New Testament, they havefound 24,000 manuscripts. all 24,000 manuscripts were handwritten too, not by word of mouth. How much time in between the date of writting and the earliest known manuscript? well Aristotle is at 1450 years between the writting and earliest manuscript. plato is at 1250 years, and homer is at 500 a very low number considering all the others. well the New Testament has the number of 15 years from the first writting to the earliest known manuscript. How Accurately were the manuscripts written? oblivously the more accurate the better. well there were three books a Non-Christian scientist looked at. The Illiad, The New Testament, and the Mahabharata which is a very big religous book for Hinduism! The Illiad had a 5% distoration rate, meaning that 764 lines of the illiad were distorted or copied wrong, one every 20 lines. The Mahabhrata had a distortion rate of 10%!! which means 26,000 lines were corrupted, The New Testament, was .2% out of 20,000 lines, 40 were distorted. WEll I hope you read this incredibly long post, cause there's good information in there |
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Distortion doesnt have a WHOLE lot to do with complete accuracy. Obviously, if the distortion is REALLY high, it could be innacurate, but otherwise, 10% or below isnt really bad.
I forgot what exactly my point was going to be. Oh, and register, you!
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good post...i especially agree with your statement abotu defacing others' religions
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Well, to be honest, I was expecting some thing like "sinners! you'll all be dammed to hell!" but...there was some very good information in there. That's really very interesting, I didn't know a lot of that. By the way, you should like, log in next time.
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You want me to try again? Fine. I wasn't making a "smartass" comment. I meant what I said. You are retreating on your feet.
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You're right when you call me 'close-minded'. I honestly don't care what you have to say about this subject. You've never stayed up crying from tears of pure joy like I have. I know you haven't experienced what I have that lets me know that I am right, and it makes me sad that you refuse to give it a shot. Unfortunately, you're intelligent, so there is a part of me that will always say "That's a shame he went that route." I wish I could be indifferent. I really wish I could. Quote:
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