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But that's the thing, in the Bible, he deemed that his creation was good. I don't know how you interpret that, but to me that's saying that he created it exactly the way he wanted it.
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When I say "Man, that was a good steak" I don't mean that the steak was the absolute pinnacle of perfect steak to which all steak should aspire, and which should persist unchanged for all eternity. I'm not sure God would be any different.
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And even if I was, I was saying that when God said it was "good", I interpret that as the way he wanted it. I never said anything about correction from his own creations. I think you are confused. @Devonin: You have a point, but the way the Bible uses the word "good" just seems to me as if on a grander scale. I don't know though, my point is purely interpretive speculation, so I don't really think it holds any grounds in an argument. |
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"And saw that it was good" while written in a fairly epic style, doesn't necessarily mean perfect, or even excellent. More importantly, "Object X is exactly how I wanted it to be" doesn't require that how God wanted it to be is static. If it was "X, which will in the fullness of time become Y" and that is what God wants, then it is good.
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Haven't you guys ever thought that a lot of us must be getting deceived by these "ploys"? After all, Christianity has just been around for 2000 years, plus it is the biggest religion in the world. Either a lot of people are believing in some big magic man or there is actually some validitity in Creationism. ^_^
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One thing that I can't explain is how once you "become" a Christian...it feels like there is no other way. Being a Christian I believe strongly that God did create us. And with his plan for each of us, we are just going to have to figure that out our own ways. Quote:
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You know, all threads about Christians and God are stupid.
All the anti-christian and evolutionists will be attracted to it, and flame everyone who says they believe in God. |
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There's already been flaming going on in this topic. Aetheists seem to be threatened by Christians on FFR. It's a sad situation. I personally try not to flame back since that goes against my morals, but sometimes I lose control.
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Kind of sickening that he'd do that to kids. I hate bloody religion people who insist on converting EVERYONE THEY MEET. People believe what they believe and trying to convince someone that your beliefs are more right than theirs is entirely arrogant. People like him need to drown.
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I am convinced that the Bible is fiction, God doesn't exist, and faith as the antithesis logic, and intellectual freedom. Now present your argument without mentioning any of those, and you won't be torn apart by us heathens. |
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1. There are more Christians than Muslims or Hindus.
2. Muslims and Hindus could also technically be deemed Creationists because they believe in a deity and that the earth was created by this deity or deities. |
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being part of the majority automatically makes you right guys we can't fight this man's inpenetrable argument
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It seems like some atheists (NOT anyone in particular), are too arrogant to try Christianity out. I used to be "atheist" and then I went to church with some of my friends and my life changed.
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Now as I'm going through this, keep one thing in mind: What I'm about to say does not represent my personal feelings unless otherwise noted. It is merely how I believe the atheists and evolutionists in question feel. First off, atheists and evolutionists do not feel threatened by Christians. They are annoyed by you. Instead of questioning the world around you and developing your own opinions via observable evidence, you blindly follow what is told to you by your religious leaders, with nothing but faith to support what you are told. Instead of seeking to understand your world through logic, you instead follow a being that may or may not exist, both options just as likely as the other. You can see how this could be annoying to someone who follows the path of science, which involves gathering evidence to explain the world. Actually, I made another post earlier that I think explained this pretty well...lemme go pull it up. (I know I'm on a self-quoting spree, but I think this applies to the situation at hand) Quote:
Each side is annoyed with the other because they refuse to be "saved" by the other side. And as I'm sure you all know, annoyance leads to flaming. EDIT: Now to respond to posts made while I was typing. Quote:
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On the other hand, the fact that the most common religion in the US comes from a book that's a metaphor for astrology is laughable. I don't need to "try Christianity". Going to a church and hearing some old man spew his beliefs at me isn't going to make me believe in what I am firmly against. Religion isn't something you shop for, but unfortunately, people are sheep and think that there are so many set religions and that they must belong to one. It's idiotic. EDIT: I shouldn't say I'm "firmly against" Christianity. If people want to choose that as their belief system, retarded as I think it is, I'm not against it. It's when they get in other people's faces about it that I am against it. No one outside of your religion cares what you believe in.
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But when I started attending church voluntarily I realized that I wasn't being a "sheep" as you would call it. I wanted to go because it is showing me how to better my life. And I could either accept it or deny it. Which brings me to the question, why shouldn't you try Christianity? If you can find a good church who won't pressure you to do stuff that you don't want to do..what is the problem? My church (and I'm hoping that most churches) don't just "spew" you their beliefs. They read scripture and interpret it. Overall I'm not saying that you have to go to church. I am just saying that I think everyone should give it a shot, what do you have to lose? |
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Second of all, how does believing in a fictional identity improve your life? What do I have to lose? That's obvious - the entire thing would be an enormous waste of time. EDIT: Rel, that's one one philosopher believes. The actual page for agnosticism in Wikipedia comes much closer to my actual beliefs: Quote:
EDIT2: Okay that's ugly but I'm not editing out the links.
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