Old 02-7-2004, 07:13 PM   #21
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The egg. the question is: the chicken or the egg, not the chicken or the chicken egg. dinosaurs laid eggs, dinosaurs were around before all kinds of fowl

simple logic

now the chicken or the chicken egg would be fact based or religion based.
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Old 02-7-2004, 07:34 PM   #22
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ok so lemme rephrase my question. which came first, the CHICKEN or the CHICKEN EGG. there ya go
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Old 02-7-2004, 07:37 PM   #23
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oh ok, even though that isn't how the question is asked, but ok
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Old 02-7-2004, 07:43 PM   #24
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the earth wasnt formed from a chemical reaction.. it was a strong nuclear force... aka gravity.
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Old 02-7-2004, 09:01 PM   #25
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the chicken came first
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Old 02-7-2004, 09:08 PM   #26
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dinosaurs were laying eggs billions of years before chickens came along
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Old 02-7-2004, 09:41 PM   #27
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A chicken egg must come from a chicken, true? Or else it cannot be defined as a Chicken egg. So then the first chicken probably came from the gradual evolution of another animal, which Then started producing eggs that could be defined as a chicken egg.

But of course, if the first chicken came from a genetically mutated egg, the egg would've come first. However, whether that egg could be called a chicken egg would be controversial. Otherwise, the chicken came first.
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Old 02-8-2004, 12:24 AM   #28
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According to evolution, the egg came first due to a mutation in its DNA during it's fetus state.
o.O

Are we talking about the Big Bang theory as the creator of life?
The big bang theory has nothing to do with evolution.

One of the few things I am positive about is Evolution. Even if magically I convert to a hardcore Christian, I will always believe in Evolution unless Jesus Christ magically jumps out of my oven and says "Dude, evolution is not really" then I would most likely believe him. But until that happens...
Yeah, that post by me made little sense..hehe

What i meant was, your belief on how the world was made changes the way you think about this question.

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According to evolution, the egg came first due to a mutation in its DNA during it's fetus state.
How do you believe the world was created then jewpin?
If its:

1.Book of Genesis: The universe and everything in it was created by god. All
animals were made by him. So the chicken would come first, right?

2.Big Bang Theory: Earth was created by a chemical reaction, which in the process, made life. Although i don't know much about this theory, i believe that all the creatures started off as just organisms, and just eventually evolved into the animals we see today. So depending on what is classified as a 'chicken', the answer could change.

3.Something Else: o.O

Well, what im saying is, the answer is just a reflection of your beliefs on the creation of life, and will always differ from person to person.

Ok, i could go on, but i'd eventually start talking about reality and things...so i won't.

So the answer is: What you believe in (lol.....what a waste of time XD)
Ah, It makes sense now.
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theres no such thing as a chicken
OMG WHY!? NOW THAT CHICKENS DON'T EXIST, KFC AND POPEYE'S CHICKEN WILL SURELY GO OUT OF BUSINESS

THE ECONOMY WILL DIE


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Old 02-8-2004, 09:40 AM   #31
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ok, look..

First off, let's clear the air and state a fact:
All creatures are born from eggs.

Fish came first, laid eggs in water. The comes Amphibians..They are different than fish because they need water only in order to reproduce, because their eggs are like fish, and need water to help fertilize and develope. Other than that, frogs live on land, right? So here comes this huge developement with Reptilia.. The amniotic egg, which has fluids inside and a thick shell to protect it in some cases, so that animals don't need water at all anymore in order to reproduce, meaning truly terrestial (land) creatures were born.

Then Mammalia and Aves fork off reptiles, and chickens belong to Aves. They are descendents of reptiles, so they also are amniotes, and have amniotic eggs, like humans.

Just think about this logically for a second here. It is impossible for a creature to exist before it has the capacity to be created, because things don't just begin in media res, it has to have a start point. If you look back into the evolution of species from the birth of a cell into humans today, there is an unbroken chain.

Eggs came before chickens even came into being as a species, so I find it hard that there is any intelligent possibility for it to be otherwise. An explanation for a chicken becoming a species is it specialized, or got seperated geographically, and the gene pool changed over time, and thus the chicken became so different from what it was before it can be considered it's own species.

Textbook example: Darwin's swallows.

All originally the same species, but specialized on certain Galopagos islands to treat unique needs, like say ones with broader, larger beaks can crush shells more easily to get food. Those who can't die off, the gene pool changes, and once it can produce viable offspring that are incompatible with the previous species, new species is born. Just like that. It doesn't even have to take millions of years.

Which in the end once again concludes the point, the egg came first, not the chicken.
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it wasn't "fish" so to speak, but rather aquatic microorganisms, if you want to get technical
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aquatic microorganisms are invertebrates, which aren't pertinent to this discussion since it is about chickens, and hence were left out.

however, the line : "If you look back into the evolution of species from the birth of a cell into humans today, there is an unbroken chain. " would include them in it, so i see no reason for you "to get technical" on me.

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Old 02-8-2004, 10:24 AM   #34
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true, sry then
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Old 02-8-2004, 10:42 AM   #35
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As said before I believe evolution caused the chicken to be hatched from an egg. According to Charles Darwin's theories, evolution can take thousands of years and the different evolutions are caused by natural selection which means that If one creature is could at something, they will breed with another creature of the same species that has that same something. Over time their ancestors will develop a distinguishing feature for that special something... but I digress... What I mean to say is that some scientists believe that all birds evolved from dinosaurs. I am a strong believer in this theory... also the chickens we know today were actually evolved from a number of different "chickens" that live all over the world in such places as jungles... We can also stick with the theory that our fine feathered friends were once dinosaurs by the fact that their legs especially are covered in scales... hmmm... kinda makes you think...
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It also appears I forgot to read pages 2 & 3 sry bout that...
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Old 02-8-2004, 11:24 AM   #37
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Umm just a thought

Couldnt the chicken have muatated from something else and then slowly started reproducing by eggs
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Old 02-8-2004, 03:12 PM   #38
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mutate...? like genetic faults?
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Old 02-8-2004, 04:24 PM   #39
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This is why I hate rhetorical questions.
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Old 02-8-2004, 05:07 PM   #40
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not rhetorical, but pointless, since it depends on your beliefs: evolution or religion.
providing that the question is "which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?"
if the question is "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" then the answer's 'egg'
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