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The egg. the question is: the chicken or the egg, not the chicken or the chicken egg. dinosaurs laid eggs, dinosaurs were around before all kinds of fowl
simple logic now the chicken or the chicken egg would be fact based or religion based.
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ok so lemme rephrase my question. which came first, the CHICKEN or the CHICKEN EGG. there ya go
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oh ok, even though that isn't how the question is asked, but ok
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the earth wasnt formed from a chemical reaction.. it was a strong nuclear force... aka gravity.
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the chicken came first
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dinosaurs were laying eggs billions of years before chickens came along
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A chicken egg must come from a chicken, true? Or else it cannot be defined as a Chicken egg. So then the first chicken probably came from the gradual evolution of another animal, which Then started producing eggs that could be defined as a chicken egg.
But of course, if the first chicken came from a genetically mutated egg, the egg would've come first. However, whether that egg could be called a chicken egg would be controversial. Otherwise, the chicken came first.
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ok, look..
First off, let's clear the air and state a fact: All creatures are born from eggs. Fish came first, laid eggs in water. The comes Amphibians..They are different than fish because they need water only in order to reproduce, because their eggs are like fish, and need water to help fertilize and develope. Other than that, frogs live on land, right? So here comes this huge developement with Reptilia.. The amniotic egg, which has fluids inside and a thick shell to protect it in some cases, so that animals don't need water at all anymore in order to reproduce, meaning truly terrestial (land) creatures were born. Then Mammalia and Aves fork off reptiles, and chickens belong to Aves. They are descendents of reptiles, so they also are amniotes, and have amniotic eggs, like humans. Just think about this logically for a second here. It is impossible for a creature to exist before it has the capacity to be created, because things don't just begin in media res, it has to have a start point. If you look back into the evolution of species from the birth of a cell into humans today, there is an unbroken chain. Eggs came before chickens even came into being as a species, so I find it hard that there is any intelligent possibility for it to be otherwise. An explanation for a chicken becoming a species is it specialized, or got seperated geographically, and the gene pool changed over time, and thus the chicken became so different from what it was before it can be considered it's own species. Textbook example: Darwin's swallows. All originally the same species, but specialized on certain Galopagos islands to treat unique needs, like say ones with broader, larger beaks can crush shells more easily to get food. Those who can't die off, the gene pool changes, and once it can produce viable offspring that are incompatible with the previous species, new species is born. Just like that. It doesn't even have to take millions of years. Which in the end once again concludes the point, the egg came first, not the chicken.
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it wasn't "fish" so to speak, but rather aquatic microorganisms, if you want to get technical
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aquatic microorganisms are invertebrates, which aren't pertinent to this discussion since it is about chickens, and hence were left out.
however, the line : "If you look back into the evolution of species from the birth of a cell into humans today, there is an unbroken chain. " would include them in it, so i see no reason for you "to get technical" on me. _________________
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true, sry then
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As said before I believe evolution caused the chicken to be hatched from an egg. According to Charles Darwin's theories, evolution can take thousands of years and the different evolutions are caused by natural selection which means that If one creature is could at something, they will breed with another creature of the same species that has that same something. Over time their ancestors will develop a distinguishing feature for that special something... but I digress... What I mean to say is that some scientists believe that all birds evolved from dinosaurs. I am a strong believer in this theory... also the chickens we know today were actually evolved from a number of different "chickens" that live all over the world in such places as jungles... We can also stick with the theory that our fine feathered friends were once dinosaurs by the fact that their legs especially are covered in scales... hmmm... kinda makes you think...
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It also appears I forgot to read pages 2 & 3 sry bout that...
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Umm just a thought
Couldnt the chicken have muatated from something else and then slowly started reproducing by eggs
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mutate...? like genetic faults?
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not rhetorical, but pointless, since it depends on your beliefs: evolution or religion.
providing that the question is "which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?" if the question is "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" then the answer's 'egg'
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