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My answer to that question regarding anything: Not if a scientist can eventually retrieve the lost data on technology or recreate the data that they might have had using the knowledge that they have.
Also, regarding the idea of a robot, they can either be designed to have personal feelings and live for themselves or as robots that simply serve human beings. Humans would reserve the right to choose what they would intend to create robots for because we would create these robots. As for the idea of what would happen to jobs and the economy, that's a good issue that we can debate. As for what the consequences of destroying a robot should be, that's also another good issue to debate. Last edited by Master_of_the_Faster; 06-12-2007 at 07:08 PM.. |
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Let's just assume that the kind of technology we've been talking about is computers and other devices of an electronic nature, because the invention of the wheel is considered an advancement in technology. Since there is no electronic technology functioning anywhere in the world, you're saying we need to look at pen-and-paper records describing that technology, so we can re-create it. We would need to uproot nearly every single advancement in electronic technology in the history of mankind in order to re-create something as advanced as a brain chip. We would need to start from scratch, essentially. Do you think, realistically, that we'd be able to find all of the information we would need? Now I bet that you'll probably respond with something like, "Well, not necessarily because we'll have the knowledge from before the brain chips malfunctioned." But again, let's be realistic. Would a scientist need to know the explicit inner workings of every major advancement in electronic technology just in case something as catastrophic as the disabling of all electronic technology in the world were to happen? I doubt it, in fact I think it would be ridiculous for a brain chip to feed such information to someone automatically. No one ever thinks something that catastrophic will ever happen until it does. (i.e. September 11th) Also, what if you ask me if I want a brain chip and I say no? Don't you think that there are going to be people who won't want a brain chip? Or are you forcing everyone to have one? If you aren't, which, if I read what you thought about the Constitution correctly, you aren't, then isn't it possible that there will be many people who won't want a brain chip? |
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Edit: However, I do believe that people who don't have brain chips might not get as much income as people with brain chips or robots. I think that certain futuristic job fields would require the use of such technology unless you can prove that with your bare mind, you are capable of functioning at an extremely high rate (probably not possible) or if you already have enough knowledge to perform a job if you remove your brain chip. I have no opinions on this idea, but I think that society might think along these lines with such technology. Last edited by Master_of_the_Faster; 06-12-2007 at 08:08 PM.. |
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Most of the "what if's" are taken care of in the development process of modern technology, and it's likely that even will be even more true as it progresses. Doubtful this situation could ever be possible.
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I understand that my reasoning may be a bit hypothetical as it seems, but I'm just using one idea of a future to represent the idea that the advancement of technology might make us primitive in the long run, but only under certain circumstances. If scientists cannot retrieve lost data or something on technology, then yes the technology would make us primitive at a time. However, you never know if technology might go from the years 2007 to 2315 and back to (after hypothetical incident) 2007 to 2315 and then progress. If that was the case, technology would technically be progressing, but probably not as far as the people in 2315 would be living. The idea of progressing in technology really has to do with what you guys refer to as "the long run".
Edit: To me, "the long run" means three things. As far as the sun doesn't blow up (perhaps there might be a way to stop this but I extremely doubt it), as far as technology to make humans live for ever (I would doubt this, but I would definatly hope that it's possible), or as far as time goes on for (in which case, the idea of what time really means is debated). Last edited by Master_of_the_Faster; 06-12-2007 at 08:21 PM.. |
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I don't think that the idea of a brain chip storing information in your mind somehow is ridiculous, I think that it would be ridiculous for a brain chip to give you the information you would need to counter such a widespread catastrophe, should it occur, because it would be like describing the theory of relativity to a plumber: he doesn't care. Not that we wouldn't care, but it's like I said, no one thinks something like that will happen until it does, so it would be unnecessary to have a brain chip give you that information really. As for the rest of your first paragraph, I think it's mostly speculation about what you think might happen in the future. Except for: Quote:
Think about this: Where did all of the information on the brain chip come from? Did it come with the brain chip when you bought it? Does it come from a remote database somewhere that has everything everyone has ever known in the entire world? Do you go in for upgrades at certain intervals to receive new information that's been added? Obviously, we don't live in a world where brain chips are an everyday thing, but my point is that the information would have to come from somewhere, and it would most likely come from another computer. But, like we said, all electronic technology has been wiped out, so what would we do? If you're about to say, "Well, stupid, we rebuild the computer," then how are we supposed to put all of the lost data back onto the computer once it's been destroyed, even if we do manage to somehow rebuild it? Even rebuilding the computer itself would be next to impossible, because we would need to find records of how to create all the components that make up a computer. I'd say that what you're describing is highly implausible, realistically speaking. Quote:
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Edit: Also, hopefully, even a person without a brain chip could still have other careers. For example, maybe there might be some sort of break throughs in science, but a brain chip itself could probably not provide a person with enough strength to play a sport (but simply the knowledge in playing the sport). There might be other futuristic careers that just about anyone could occupy without the need of brain chips. In my opinion, if brain chips were made, they would have to rely on the internet as well as other sources to provide facts that may have to go through filtering by some sort of agency of the future (so that objectionable material can be filtered out). You would be able to choose what things that you wanted to learn like learning how to speak a certain language or how to do math. Perhaps at every single place where careers are held, they might hold special information to add to your brain chip so that you automatically know how to do something in that field. The brain chips could have universal upgrades for everyone that includes certain items that a futuristic agency would have to inform society of. Last edited by Master_of_the_Faster; 06-12-2007 at 09:24 PM.. |
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That would be awesome! The problem is that I'm not smart enough to make such technology or anything, but I have a feeling it's possible. Last edited by Master_of_the_Faster; 06-12-2007 at 09:54 PM.. |
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well there will always be one fat mechanic left to help. or the robots can be programed to fix robots. and by the time all that will happen earth is long gone
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That said, I do think human instinct would still be there, meaning we would probably look for food and shelter and other basic necessities of life. But outside of that, we probably wouldn't know much better, so I'd say we are pretty primitive at that point. Quote:
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Yeah, some people seem to have a little overdone of an opinion about just how many elements of our day-to-day life people are going to subordinate to technology.
I'm a very techy person, I use a lot of elements of technology for many many things. That said, I can still grow and harvest crops, and prepare them into food using an open fire. Sure if suddenly all technology ceased functioning, life would be -harder- that doesn't necessarily mean "worse" |
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Anyway, it's being primitive that we're talking about here, not as much the quality of life. |
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Well I'm not so sure it would make us as primitive as it would lazy. I think the more we rely on technology the more people would expect everything to go their way without having to lift a finger.
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Given a lack of technology, bartering would become far more common, and if you don't possess -any- skills that would be of use in the event of some global catastrophe, that might be something to put on your list of new year's resolutions come January. |
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Okay, I don't mean that one day we're going to wake up and not know how to eat. I mean that over time, eating requires less effort than it does currently (however that would work.. maybe automatic feeding tubes that feed you with just the right amount of nutrients three times daily?), and if we lose access to whatever it is that allowed us to eat effortlessly, then will those who never learned how to swallow (because that isn't a skill that you're born with) be able to learn how to feed themselves before they die of starvation?
To answer my own question, I think that if we were to lose technology, we would go back to the ways of the pilgrims, and progress back to where we are now, faster than had happened in the future, and with the knowledge of the mistake we had made in the 'futuristic past,' so to speak. I don't think now that our civilization would decrease to past the pilgrim age. |
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