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Except that it is more of a linguistic thing than a societal thing to argue that what constitutes "normal" (as per sociological norms, behavioural norms etc) is merely that quality which is in the majority of a given sample group.
What is "normal" for "users of FFR" is not the same as "normal" for "members of a quliting bee" It all depends on what sample you are trying to gauge normalcy for. And once again, it is a quantitative term not a qualitative one, there are no value judgements inherent to the term, even if many people seem to want to attach some. |
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Hmm. I guess there is no universal "normal" then... |
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Well, sure there is. "normal" is the quality which is in the majority, and your sample size in that case is "everybody"
It's nigh impossible to conclude what -kinds- of things are normal on that scale, but there are some things common to virtually everyone in the world: A desire to not die, a belief that murder for no reason is wrong, A desire to forge meaningful relationships with other humans. |
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To me, normality is glorious ignorance. If you're normal, you don't know about some things. People who have some kind of child scarring in their past, whatever the reason may be, will be able to bounce their problems off or disect the problem and solve it. Normal people may go crazy off the slightest thing.
You know most serial killers? Talk to their families. They would probably say he was very normal. But people who have been surrounded by that kind of thing would be able to ignore it.
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To me-- being normal means having goals and hopes but having to work hard to achieve them. Being exceptional is being able to work very little but still achieve the same amount. Normal is the definition of people who have to live with being mediocre at everything that they don't work very hard at. Normal is the definition of people who want something, but know that it will take years to get it and are willing to live an average life to get it. Normal is NOt the people who are actually looking at this thread. We are the minority, and we are EXCEPTIONAL! Ok, disregard the last sentence, and that'll be all I have to say in this thread
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You're using normal as a mid-range to stupid and intelligent, instead of an alternate to 'abnormal' which is the sense being duscissed.
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"Normal" is just a word that means "typical"
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there is no "normal". normal is what you make of it
to each their own i say
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There are a lot, a LOT of factors which contribute to what makes something the "norm" in a society, and there's a lot of research been done on the subject, but I'll spare the commentary and get to some of the main points. Firstly, when we were "animals", if you believe the evolutionary theories, the "norm" was what allowed us to survive. If we did not follow the norm of collecting food for our tribes and what not, we would die off. Now, as time progressed, and our brains got larger, we began to have more free time on our hands, and many different problems began to face us. For example, what if Timmy just killed Bob, our primary food gatherer? We couldn't have things like that happening, so we forbid it from happening further... Now let's jump way, way into the future... present day in fact. We've now split into many social classes... you know, punk, prep, goth, ect. Each of these social class has its own norms and values, which it believes are "good" and "right". Other classes, to them, do not follow the norms of their group, so they avoid them. Each of these social classes is actually a break-down of a "larger" social class, which is our society (say American) as a whole. Whoever is on top, or the upper class of that society, will generally set the norms on a role model basis. The norms then spread down through other social class until they eventually reach yours, and those of the people around you. You can then make judgements on what is right or wrong, the norm, for yourself, but the primary norms which have been seeded down through society take a long time to change, due to what's known as the "entrenchment" effect. In our society, the norms are generally spawned from the government. I could go on for a lot longer but... I think this should give you a basic overview of the topic... heck I've already created a wall of text as it is. Hope this helps some... check out wikipedia if you want more in depth//specific stuff... it's great for that. ![]() |
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Sorry for not reading the whole thread (I'm a little tired). But this is what I think about this topic.
Everyone has a different view of what normal is. It really depends on the society, while celebrities think that getting driven around and waited on hand and foot is normal for them, a person looking into that lifestyle will judge that as something out of the norm. Thats just a local example, there are more ways of contrasting normal and abnormal through everyday activities. In my humble opinion, I really think that normal should not be in the dictionary as there really is NO definite definition of it.
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I think everyone gets the basic idea of what normal is, so, instead of repeating what everyone has already said, I'm going to talk about something else.
I think that people are too obsessed with trying to be normal. This makes them ignore what they actually like and try to change themselves to match the general stereotype. Unfortunately, when someone has enough common sense to do what they like, they get rejected by the rest of society and are called weird or(despite the fact that it has nothing to do with the actual meaning of the word) gay. I think that the "normal" of the future should be someone who does what they like (within the limits of the law of course) without fearing that other people will hate them just because there different. |
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^-- True that, and this is a very popular view among teens these days. Unfortunately, due to the "entrenchment" effect I posted above, it will take a long, long time for it to come into effect as a standard norm. By the time it actually does come to be a norm, no doubt the next generation of teens will have their own set of norms they feel is right and just. That's the problem the societies today, they take too long to make changes, because there's simply too many conflicting views and opinions.
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Normal, is, not different.
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Normal is a label donned by society. The image of normal vary's with each generation, group and person. To me the term "Normal" defines who every one should be, not who everyone/anyone is. Therefore, everyone is not normal, but instead abnormal, because nobody is who they want to be. Like people have said before, there is no definite answer/definition for the term normal and thus it should just be ignored/forgotten/unused. (in the social sense)
*I haven't read any of the other post's and this is my oppinion only. Also this only apply's for people.*
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You take issue with the way the word is applied to society, fair enough. Say so, and explain why. |
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Well, the word shouldn't be applied when it comes to society because, everyone in the world is a individual, and since the term normal means, "conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.", makes it impossible for anyone in the world to be normal due to the nearly infinate ways of growing up/living which defines the way we think and the way we act. So I guess what I'm saying, nobody can be normal since you are physicaly and psycologicaly different from everyone else, it contradicts the term normal, making you abnormal.. if that makes sense..
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"normal" is basically what you expect of someone
like we expect girls to like girly things, and men to like manly things if a girl likes manly things, or a man likes girly things, then they're just, well... not normal
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That completely depends on society's definition of what is manly and what is girly. In other words, what is normal is determined by a majority of people, as previously stated many times.
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For example: It is normal to feel that killing someone for no reason is wrong. In functionally every society that as ever existed in the world, killing somebody for no reason at all has been considered wrong. When so many people for so many centuries have all been in agreement about that, it is pretty compelling to say that it is -normal- and that anyone who feels otherwise is abnormal. |
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