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There -are- religious people who blindly follow what they are told without questioning it (I've met several) And there -are- non-religious people who buy in to the "all religious people are ignorant buffoons" mindset (I've met several of those too) so you are actually both perfectly justified in making the statements you made. Can't we all just get along? Quote:
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So here is the original block of text that people are finding difficult to read, for the purposes of this post, feel free to bypass this block.
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Also, mblavis, religion was primarily a way to explain the events of the universe (Although science has explained those), establish morals, and control people. The only reason that we had our handful of [for lack of a better word] tyrants is because they interpreted the "Thou shall not have any other Gods before me" commandment in a bad way. Religious freedom in most Western countries (Particularly the U.S.) would seem like a way to solve this problem, but some people are still ignorant and shoving beliefs down people's throats. Even one of my favorite comedians (And also a religiou man, although he still uses logic), Tyler Perry, gave a hint of ignorance in one of his dialogues:
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Thanks for clearing up my big piece of text Devonin. I would say that the meaning is close enough.
The only thing that I think should be added was the fact that I still value that a person can make his/her own decisions to be what I define as good/bad if that is what they believe will give them more success (life, liberty, and property). However, just because one believes they will be more successful in a situation doesn't mean they would actually be more successful. For example, if you are gang member and you died early, (yet you really believed that you would get more liberty and property) you were probably better off not doing what I define as bad deeds. |
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wouldnt it be better to be safe than sorry any way?I mean, if you dont believe in Him and you do "bad things" and there really is a God your screwed.and by doing "bad deeds" you just make things a whole lot more complicated for u when you die and while your on Earth.
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I can think of many reasons to act in a way that society thinks of as morally good, but "just in case" God exists doesn't strike me as a very good one. If that God does exist, do you think that He would be particularly impressed with "I only acted this way because I was afraid you might be real" Quote:
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Zomg!!! I'm an atheist
![]() (Blunt) Edit and to clarify, atheism is no the disbelieve in all religions, just the ones that involve a god or deity. Buddhism or other religions are atheistic. Last edited by koreanese69; 06-15-2007 at 06:52 PM.. |
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Well, if you're going to state that the term has an imprecise meaning, perhaps you should pick a word that actually identifies your belief?
You're "An Atheist" of which stripe? Are you a Buddhist? There's a word for that (Buddhist) |
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I guess I'll just have to subscribe to every religion on the planet because of the off chance that one might be right. Man, it's going to be hard working in Temple, Church, praying to Mecca, Mass, chicken sacrifice and drinking the blood of calves all in one day. Also koreanese, atheism can also be described as disbelief in the supernatural. I'm more of an atheist anti-theist.
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What I ultimately mean by that statement is that to a certain person, being good could be worse than being bad and that to another person, being bad could be worse than being good. Basically, not everyone gets what they want or what they believed that they would get. |
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(Don't get me wrong, neither statement is provable, since there is equally no -proof- to support objective or subjective morality, but it answers your quibble about how differnet cultures act in different ways) Also...Pascal didn't say anything about a guarenteed payout. Pascal said basically: Given a choice between believing and not believing in the christian God, it is a more sound position to believe, because if you believe and are wrong, you lose nothing, but if you disbelieve and are wrong, you have everything to lose. This doesn't say that he has a "guaranteed payout" it says that he has -better chances- one way than the other. |
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i say go string theory!!!!!
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What are your scientific credentials to make such a statement? Degrees, training of any sort, etc.
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Iff god is real, the wager has a payout, however if god is not real or another god or set of gods is, the wager does not have a payout. (at least not necessarily, there is the issue of benevolence in spite of faulty belief, but in this case why does it make a difference which way your beliefs are faulty? Is disbelief so different from erroneous belief? Only the God or God's could answer this) Iff another god or set of gods are real which take issue with belief in the God you choose, there is an extremely high cost associated with belief. However, even if this is not the case and there are simply no gods of any nature, you've still paid a cost without return, in terms of prayer, reading the bible, going to church, etc. Quote:
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Dr Barry Whitney BA, PhD. University of Windsor, Windsor Ontario Canada. Given that apologetics is one of his specialities I'm sure that you and he can kibitz for hours on end.
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Also in the context of solar, electric, and hydrogen cars there is no significant new possible cost introduced to choosing a diesel or gasoline car. Perhaps on the scale of future cost expectations caused by transitions from one fuel/transportation infrastructure to another, most certainly not on the scope of infinite reward vs. infinite punishment. Quote:
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I presented the wager in the form Pascal did, to address what I considered a misstatement about what Pascal's wager was saying. You are free to claim that his wager is not a -sound- wager, and I'm almost certain to agree with you. The point was made "Well, what about case X? In case X Pascal's wager doesn't work at all!" And I countered with "Well...Pascal's wager is actually about case Y, if it doesn't work for case X, that's bully for Pascal, but not what he was talking about in the first place." Quote:
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