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Intelligent Design != Disbelief in Evolution Intelligent Design != Universally Religious I'm not religious, I do believe in the theory of evolution, and I am a deist, which is a system that supports the concept of intelligent design. Deism is not an especially theistic system, and comes nowhere -near- to being a religion. Not all religious people denounce evolution. Evolution is perfectly able to coexist with creationism, provided your creationism is rational, scientific and not based solely around teachings of a religion. |
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At that point though your creationism is a redundant and unnecessary component. Occam's Razor to the rescue!
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http://www.godisimaginary.com/ Their videos use such basic logic to disprove the existence of god, that sometimes it seems a little silly. The proofs are also basic.
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Edit: its funny how people will look at the "747 in a bag" argument and say "No way it could happen randomly, the only reasonable explanation is that an outside force acted on the parts and built it" but when you extend the analogy to the entire universe, the same people say "No way, it was totally a bag that got shaken" and nobody seems keen to carry on the conclusion they once said was logical, that an outside force acted on the parts and built it. Last edited by devonin; 07-27-2007 at 04:01 PM.. |
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Who knows, maybe we are all just people inside of an atom sized universe created by some mad scientist to test our intelligence, now I like that theory.
Whether or not he does exist or not, I believe some outer force influenced the big bang thus creating life.
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1. Observe unexplained pattern 2. Is it complex? What order of complexity is it? Low, medium, or high? If high, does it show signs of order? If yes, it was designed. The problem is that the flow chart can't be made functional without another option. To demonstrate, think about the a pair of individuals who come across fairy rings in the 14th century. Are the rings unexplained and complex? Of course, they showed up overnight! Are they ordered? Yes, they are in a circle. And as 14th century people we know quite clearly what causes fairy rings and why they exist. |
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Those are all wise words, everyone, but what if.. You're your own God. You yourself makes your own life, and your actions decide your future. Not some outerworldly force.
Think about that.
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God wont exist until you step towards him in faith. Faith is not something that can be truely understood through purely logical thought.
In my opinon this thread is just a load of Religion vs Science and God cant be truely found in eithier.
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Maybe what it all comes down to is what you individually think.
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I find that Christianity asks for a lot more than faith.
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Real Christianity is just a relationship with Jesus. All the things you have "found" are derivatives of that or false.
(This is swinging off the OP's main thread point feel free to tell me to stop.)
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I guess it's just a misunderstanding. You're more or less referring to the concept, which would put you in the non creationist group. I'm more or less referring to the *very* large sect of the intelligent design movement that has a creationist agenda. Biblical creation failed in and around the early 80's to get into the education system and thus spawned intelligent design. It is, at heart, an attempt to stir up the pot among the public and try to make creation sound like it's science. That's all. Sorry for confusion. Quote:
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That sounds like a breach of this warning to me.
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That's just it. That's exactly how I feel. No matter how big of a force (even some super natural being like god) probably can't govern how I want to act. I have my own individuality which allows me to possibly defy a god even if I was easily sent to some place like hell. Anyone can choose to accept help from some "outerworldly force", but this idea of being a slave to anything like that is probably not what I along with many other people would like. Search your minds for a new religion I like to call individuality and logic.
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You will find very few people who are reasonable about their religion who would ever classify themselves as being "slave to" their God. Christianity, as is the common choice of religion for this forum to discuss has no problem whatsoever acknowledging that you have the power to defy God, that you have free will and individuality. In fact, the practice of that free will is integral to their faith system.
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You have no real evidence of the source of gravity (which is supposedly matter, but how does that theorically true for all things?), and you have no evidence there is anti-matter (the opposite of gravity, for those of you who haven't taken a physics class). So you can't disprove the idea of God all together. The IDEA of gravity is consistent on this planet, in this galaxy, but who says it still works outside of the milky way, or off the planet? Theory. "Science." Isn't "science" the same as "God"? You can't be completely sure of either. You can only prove your theories and test a hypothesis on THIS planet, as far as I have seen. You can trust what people tell you and what you learn. You can't ever really be sure of either. There's plenty of evidence supporting God as there is supporting Science. And your idea, concept, conviction of god is as childish as they come, but I'm not going to be a jerk, so I accept your opinions.
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