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Old 07-15-2007, 12:25 AM   #261
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Fix'd, and this pretty much sums up my opinion.

Also, it is prey, not pray
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Old 07-15-2007, 10:32 AM   #262
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there is "The Bible" for Christians there is the "Qur'an" for Muslims, and there is the "Torah" for the Jewish. They all refer to there being the "one God,"
I guess your cousin has never really read the Bible.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:43 AM   #263
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That's stupid though. That means, I could make up anything invisible or anything that is just far away from you.. and you can't say it's not real, EVEN IF IT IS JUST SOMETHING I FUCING MADE UP.

There's an invisible pink unicorn sitting RIGHT beside you. There's a blue elephant oribiting Jupiter.

You're saying, there's a possibility that these things might be real? Because that's ****ing hilarious.. and stupid.
Well, this is why you can't prove or disprove the existance of God, which is why God is also incredibly stupid 8)

The only difference between the blue elephant orbiting jupiter and God is that you have a few billion people that believe in God and we made some scribbles that we try to attribute to it.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:54 AM   #264
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Except that God and those working through God also have various works attributed to them as well, whereas the elephant does not. Also, if you talk to even a passable Christian Apologist, they will present all -kinds- of perfectly non-faith based evidence to argue for the existance of God, whereas I'd be curious to see someone try to defend the existance of the elephant in any kind of reasonable way.
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Old 07-15-2007, 01:21 PM   #265
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Also, a divine power is used as an explanation of the unexplainable. If they couldn't find an answer through simple science, it was a work of God. I'd like to see what purpose an elephant trapped in orbit will do.
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Old 07-15-2007, 02:39 PM   #266
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christianity is a hypocritical life...i believe in god htough haha
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Old 07-15-2007, 03:05 PM   #267
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christianity is a hypocritical life...i believe in god htough haha
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Old 07-15-2007, 03:49 PM   #268
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2 Timothy 2:23
Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
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Old 07-15-2007, 09:42 PM   #269
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Except that God and those working through God also have various works attributed to them as well, whereas the elephant does not. Also, if you talk to even a passable Christian Apologist, they will present all -kinds- of perfectly non-faith based evidence to argue for the existance of God, whereas I'd be curious to see someone try to defend the existance of the elephant in any kind of reasonable way.
I could easily fabricate an elephant bible among other things. The elephant might not currently have these things but I don't see why it couldn't.

Also, Non faith based evidence? Like what? There is no 'evidence' for God. You can't provide evidence for something that is supernatural. Give me some examples of this evidence so I can see what you're talking about.

All of the exact same 'evidences' used to try to defend god could be applied directly to the elephant assuming I went ahead and said that the elephant has supernatural powers.

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Also, a divine power is used as an explanation of the unexplainable. If they couldn't find an answer through simple science, it was a work of God. I'd like to see what purpose an elephant trapped in orbit will do.
I could easily use the elephant to serve the same purpose as God.

This is the whole point, for example, of the flying spaghetti monster. You can insert anything you want to serve the exact same purpose (hence why we have so many different religions >_>).
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Old 07-15-2007, 10:55 PM   #270
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This became quite popular.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:01 PM   #271
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Saying the word "God" in CT is like whacking a hornet's nest: It's not very logical and stirs things up.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:09 PM   #272
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Saying the word "God" in CT is like whacking a hornet's nest: It's not very logical and stirs things up.
Saying the word God on any forum is gonna do that.
I think arguments about the existence of God are stupid, mainly because no dumb argument is gonna sway anyone's beliefs.
No matter what anyone says, I will not doubt the existence of God.
I am a Christian, and I know that these arguments will go no where, and it even says in the bible that stupid arguments will go no where.
Hence that verse I posted.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:11 PM   #273
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I guess your cousin has never really read the Bible.
Actually, the God of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims is the same. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all use the Torah in their canon.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:44 PM   #274
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Also, Non faith based evidence? Like what? There is no 'evidence' for God.
They are happy to provide you with evidence of various scientific phenomena and then suggest to you that it is the simpler, more elegant, and thus according to several logical theories, more likely that such things are the result of intelligent design rather than random chance.
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:51 PM   #275
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No. My cousin read all of the bible.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:47 AM   #276
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No. My cousin read all of the bible.
That's great...because we care. Really. We do. Tell us more about your cousin. What color is his/her hair? What school does s/he go to? How many times has your cousin been to Disneyland? Really...please, tell us all about your cousin...since you find it necessary to bring him/her up in this thread.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:55 AM   #277
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Saying the word God on any forum is gonna do that.
I think arguments about the existence of God are stupid, mainly because no dumb argument is gonna sway anyone's beliefs.
No matter what anyone says, I will not doubt the existence of God.
I am a Christian, and I know that these arguments will go no where, and it even says in the bible that stupid arguments will go no where.
Hence that verse I posted.
so you 'logically' endorse a countermeasure for logical reasoning? gr8
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:04 AM   #278
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No matter what anyone says, I will not doubt the existence of God.
Then why are you in Critical Thinking? People who speak in absolutes and refuse to consider the possibilty that given sufficient evidence, their belief could turn out to be false have no real business taking part in otherwise serious and legitimate discussion.
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Old 07-16-2007, 02:43 AM   #279
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My head hurts from all the use of the word "theory" and equating the layman's term to the scientific term. :S

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They are happy to provide you with evidence of various scientific phenomena and then suggest to you that it is the simpler, more elegant, and thus according to several logical theories, more likely that such things are the result of intelligent design rather than random chance.
IDEAS* not theories. FFS. And Intelligent Design is an idea, not a theory. Also what says random chance? Not much has been done by random chance, and it's definitely not the basis for many real theories.

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Except that God and those working through God also have various works attributed to them as well, whereas the elephant does not. Also, if you talk to even a passable Christian Apologist, they will present all -kinds- of perfectly non-faith based evidence to argue for the existance of God, whereas I'd be curious to see someone try to defend the existance of the elephant in any kind of reasonable way.
All the good stuff religion has done for us humans is far less than what it has done negatively. And all the morals, charities, inspiration, etc. are found elsewhere and without religion. Morals from social and psychological aspects of humans. Charties from organizations. Inspiration through love, friends, music, or almost anything... Really, everything that religion has given is just an extra thing. What it's taken is a lot... A lot of money, a lot of time, a lot of lives, a lot of suffering. You can have people get together for other reasons to do stuff for the community, and without the need of an expensive church.. etc... I could go on and on. Ya and it's great like figures such as Mother Theresa promoted suffering and took loads of money for .. what use? Yeah.... Just great.

I'll take the elephant please.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:36 AM   #280
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IDEAS* not theories. FFS. And Intelligent Design is an idea, not a theory. Also what says random chance? Not much has been done by random chance, and it's definitely not the basis for many real theories.
I didn't say Intelligent Design was at theory, I said that there are 'several logical theories' that hold, for example, that the more elegant, or the more simple solutions are more likely to be the correct ones. When I say "logical theories" I am speaking philosphically not scientifically, and in that particular arena do have more than a vague idea what I'm talking about.

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All the good stuff religion has done for us humans is far less than what it has done negatively. And all the morals, charities, inspiration, etc. are found elsewhere and without religion. Morals from social and psychological aspects of humans. Charties from organizations. Inspiration through love, friends, music, or almost anything... Really, everything that religion has given is just an extra thing. What it's taken is a lot... A lot of money, a lot of time, a lot of lives, a lot of suffering. You can have people get together for other reasons to do stuff for the community, and without the need of an expensive church.. etc... I could go on and on.
And here, fresh on the heels of your criticism of people using "theory" and "idea" as though they are interchangable, you use "religion" and "church" as though they are interchangable. They aren't. Religion and faith exist outside the bounds of the church, generally more so than they do inside the church, and to equate them as being necessarily the same is foolhardy at best.

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Ya and it's great like figures such as Mother Theresa promoted suffering and took loads of money for .. what use? Yeah.... Just great.
Mother Teresa promoted suffering? And please explain how vows of poverty are somehow equivalent to having "took loads of money"? if you're referring to donations to her order, the "what use" the money was put to is, let's see here:

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Missionaries care for those who include refugees, ex-prostitutes, the mentally ill, sick children, abandoned children, lepers, AIDS victims, the aged, and convalescent. They have schools run by volunteers to educate street children, they run soup kitchens, as well as many other services as per the communities needs. They have 19 homes in Kolkata alone which include homes for women, orphaned children, the dying, an AIDS hospice, a school for street children, and a leper colony. These services are provided to people regardless of their religion.
yeah, that sure sounds like a fat load of nothing, we should cut all funding to that group and shut it down, greedy beggars.
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