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Dude, whether this thread is worthy of it or not, this is Critical Thinking. Type intelligently.
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hi
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The same applies for you too, and don't double post.
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I wouldn't want to see the white poverty schools anyways. Even though im half white. If you have seen a poor white person they normally look like trailor trash, and people like Eminem pop up. You don't want to see a whole bunch of them do you.
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People like Eminem? OH! You mean celebrities!
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No i mean retarded redneck hick people
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nothing quite suits a thread on racism and ignorant bigotry quite like more racsim and ignorant bigotry.
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i know, huh?
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little horse there. Freedom of Speech = 1st Amendment. Unless I plead the Fifth. |
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You do not in fact have "freedom of speech" inside someone else's private domain. Synth could decree that everyone most post in rhyming iambic pentameter or face IP ban, and we would -have- to do so or face the consequences. The rules for this sub-forum require you to post contributional text, backing up your claims with reasoning, you can't disobey those rules and then claim you are exercising your freedom of speech and thus cannot be punished. That's the first amendment to the -US- constituion. Not the Flashflashrevolution forums Terms of Service. |
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It merely points to the far larger problem of the utterly dismal state of American elementary and highschools.
Saying "We know your school is horrible, so we'll move you ahead anyway" doesn't solve a single problem no matter -why- you personally aren't doing well. Fix the education system, and it becomes irellevant. It is just hard, time-consuming and expensive to do so, so it is easier to select the band-aid. |
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The root of the problem, of course, is access to education. Generally, jobs that require more education pay much more than jobs that require less education (with a few exceptions). I would find a source for that, but I think we can all agree so I don't think it's necessary. Thus, in many cases, poverty can be directly attributed to a lack of education. If America made education more available (and more appealing) to everyone, much of the poverty issue would be solved in a couple of generations as the impoverished receive education, and thus better jobs. Fixing the education system is no small feat, however. It has been discussed in another thread that the staple of the education system, grades, has issues that render it much less useful than intended. Today, your grade reflects how much you care as opposed to how much you actually know (in America, at least). The material being taught is often laughable. In my state, the only things taught are those that a standardized test will cover, because that standardized test determines whether or not you pass the grade. Take for instance, sixth grade math. I hated that year, because all throughout the year we used "arrow language" as a substitute for order of operations (I'll give an example after I finish with this). Instead of teaching the proper way to read a math problem, an obscure and inefficient system was taught. And every math problem involving algebraic operations (addition, subtraction, etc.) used that arrow language. It was horrible. Then there's the issue of people wanting to be educated. How many students high school and below actually like going to school? Maybe 10%. This in itself presents a problem. Education is undervalued by the majority of students until you reach the upper levels of high school (this is from personal experience). Even then, there are many that just don't care. The reasons for this are relatively varied. Perhaps the students are being brought up in a household which undervalues education (which could account for people with uneducated parents being unwilling to educate themselves), perhaps their economic status forces them to work as opposed to attend school (which would account for impoverished children being uneducated). There are multiple other possible reasons as well. What we have to do to fix the education system is clear. However, how to go about doing that successfully is the part that we can't figure out. We need to make school more accessible to those that are impoverished, and lessen the need for children to leave school just to survive. We need to make school more appealing to both children and parents, so that they actually want to get an education. Unfortunately, the American government is unwilling to do that, instead sticking to stereotypes and saying, "Well you're black, so if you didn't get an education it's our fault, not yours. Here, take this job," while at the same time saying, "You're white; it's not our fault if you didn't get an education!" Instead of giving free jobs to underqualified people, why not instead focus on the root of the problem, creating more people who actually have the necessary qualifications? |
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Okay, as interesting as this is, we've moved wildly away from the original topic. The education system is a fairly major hurdle facing America as a whole, but the thread is about practices and behaviors that are effecting the black community.
See..Nobody really decided to directly address my first couple posts on the subject (In my more arrogant moments, I like to think it is because you all agreed with me) but really, this needs to be blatantly addressed: At what point do the problems facing Blacks in America stop being "The white man's" fault, and -start- being "Their -own- damn fault"? People who've been liberated form under incredibly cruel and torturous governments, people who've had nations do their level best to -eradicate- them from the face of the earth, these people have had their tragedies -more- recently and in many cases -worse- and seem to be doing pretty well for themselves. Hell, after the Holocaust the world jewish community has rebounded so utterly that Isreal is looked upon as a mean bully by a lot of people, that's a long way from "Someone made a very strong attempt to remove us from existance" This sounds really callous, and in a lot of ways it is, but I'm sick and tired of being racially abused for something that has nothing to do with me, my father, my father's father, or our entire family line. Seriously, how long is "White America" going to be held responsible for participating in a behavior that was universally accepted by huge swaths of the world for hundreds and hundreds of years? |
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You're absolutely right. White people should no longer (particularly on an individual basis) be held directly responsible for the current plight of black America. What this does NOT mean, is that we should now IGNORE the plight of black America, and institute government negligence based on "bootstrap" arguments. We should focus on aiding the underpriviledged and eliminating poverty REGARDLESS of whom it affects. In this case it happens to be African Americans as a result of years of oppression and social downbearings. This is a completely separate issue from slavery and that white people "owe" black people. This is now about fighting poverty and helping a group of people.
And in regards to the previous dispute on affirmative action, you are also absolutely correct that the real problem is the educational system and affirmative action does not help. But what it DOES do, is help set balances and even out inequalities WHILE we can fix the educational system. There is no reason we can't do our absolute best to help these kids WHILE we make the changes that need to be made to make affirmative action obsolete. |
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I am indeed in favor that the government shouldn't aid people who aren't willing to learn anything just because they blame white people and slavery. After all, the civil war was a long time ago and if a black person hated their past of slavery, they should go back in time and fight those white people who thought slavery was ok instead of put the pressure on people who already got over this this dark time. White Americans at first made black people poor slaves, but I mean wasn't the whole idea of African Americans getting rights and freedoms based on the fact that the African American community would use these rights and freedoms to vote and be educational? If the African American students who don't study, what was the use of them getting any rights anyways? Perhaps some white people deserve the revenge of the African Amercian community, but not the majority of white people in America now. Indians were kept captive by British people at a point in time and aside from the poor people, India is now becoming a super power with their independence. You guys know Indians can be really brilliant if they think.
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So what you are saying is that the reason the educational system is so dismal is simply because its victims "just don't care." Why should they care? They simply will not recieve the same benefits as people of well-to-do backgrounds in regards to education, their schools are horrendously underfunded, and the message the government gives to them by not funding their schools is that THEY ARE NOT WORTH IT. If someone grows up with that message, I'd say it's pretty damn probable it'll have an impact. Kids don't "just not care" because of the affirmative action benefits they might recieve, but BECUASE their educational system is in tatters. While it should be No. 1 priority to fix the system, affirmative action (of the kind I described earlier) is not slowing that process and is acting as a placeholder to keep everyone on the same page until it is no longer needed. Affirmative action is NOT the cause of the perpetuation of an educational system in turmoil.
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