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Old 05-20-2007, 01:11 AM   #61
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devonin you seem to have a lot to say about other peoples views so how about you tell us all what you think.
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Old 05-20-2007, 01:19 AM   #62
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If you don't see the flaws in that logic, pointing them out again won't likely do anything, so I won't bother.

Moving right along then...To Purebloodtexan: Says who? The problem here is that you're saying "I'll do what the law says, for no reason other than the law says so" So my question is: What happens if the law changes to something you think is nonsense? Do you still do it anyway? Do you protest? Do you ignore the law?
Well, you do have a point there, but just because I'm following the law for no definite reason doesn't mean I'll just stick to it. If it gets to anything THAT nonsensical, unless I'm married and about to have a child, I'll go ahead and do the deed.

I've seen many movies, articles, etc. about rebellions, revolutions and revolts. They broke the laws as quickly as they followed them because of an unjust change in rules or the way the government runs. Although not on such a large scale, I'd probably do the same.
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Old 05-20-2007, 02:24 PM   #63
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See, the point I was trying to get at is that you -do- in fact have other reasons for agreeing with the age limit in your state. Up until just now, the only basis for your stance was "The rules tell me so" which isn't an especially compelling argument. Now that you've at least implied that you internally -agree- with the logic that says you aren't ready until that age, you've expressed your viewpoint in a much better way.
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devonin you seem to have a lot to say about other peoples views so how about you tell us all what you think.
My view should be pretty obvious given the kinds of points I've raised about other people's posts. I find the vast gulf in difference between the ages at which the government has "decided" we are "ready" to do things to be patently absurd.

You're "ready" to go into the military in the US, be trained, armed and sent out to kill people for three full years before you are "ready" to drink a beer.

You're "ready" to be put behind the wheel of a multi-ton high-powered vehicle, and take it out into residential areas for -five- years before you are "ready" to drink a beer.

As of the age of -12- you are considered to be past the "Age of Reason" where you can tell fantasy from reality, and are considered reasonable and intelligent enough that your testimony is acceptable in even capital-crime law cases involving the death penalty.

It is accepted that you are intelligent, reasonable, and able to think for yourself for four years or more before you are considered "ready" to do basically everything else that has an age control? This seems absurd to me.

I made what I consider to be a perfectly reasonable and thought-out decision to have sex for the first time when I was 14. I don't regret it, I'm not ashamed of it, and I -certainly- don't think I was too young or immature to make the decision.

Obviously your mileage may vary, people become mature at different rates which is why a single age at which the law says you are "ready" is both completely arbitrary, and unfortunately the only way, short of having no age limit at all, to possibly control such things.

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Old 05-20-2007, 02:41 PM   #64
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As of the age of -12- you are considered to be past the "Age of Reason" where you can tell fantasy from reality, and are considered reasonable and intelligent enough that your testimony is acceptable in even capital-crime law cases involving the death penalty.
I thought it was 14, or is this another case of "it varies by state"?
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Old 05-20-2007, 02:46 PM   #65
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I thought it was 14, or is this another case of "it varies by state"?
Hmm...I may even have over estimated.

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Age of reason, in psychology, is the age where a child is capable of carrying on complex conversation with an adult, usually around seven years but can be as high as fourteen years.
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In the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches, the age, usually around seven or eight years old, when children are considered capable of understanding and participating in the sacraments.
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Old 05-20-2007, 03:30 PM   #66
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Not having premarital sex is like buying a car without test-driving it first.

And this thread looks familiar... Wasn't this done before?
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I made what I consider to be a perfectly reasonable and thought-out decision to have sex for the first time when I was 14. I don't regret it, I'm not ashamed of it, and I -certainly- don't think I was too young or immature to make the decision.

Obviously your mileage may vary, people become mature at different rates which is why a single age at which the law says you are "ready" is both completely arbitrary, and unfortunately the only way, short of having no age limit at all, to possibly control such things.
Ok so I'm wondering why you gave me **** for having sex at 17? Yes I regret it now because I realize I wasn't in love with him but I thought I was. We had been together for almost a year and he had asked me to marry him but he was mentally abusive. I had sex with him because at the time it felt right. After I broke up with him I feel in love with the best guy in the world. He loves me, cares for me, and treats me well. We plan on getting married after college and have been together almost 2years. With him it's not just sex it's making love, being with him makes me feel like nothing else matters and the moment is just about our love.
I don't see any flaws with what I have done or my point of view. Everyone should have sex when they are in love and feel the time is right, never before then.
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Old 05-20-2007, 04:02 PM   #68
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Although I'm Catholic... It wouldn't matter to me, I would just say if you really are in a deep realtionship, then go for it if you want to. Just be careful.
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- You got laid .. Lmao
- More sexual experience?
- Something special I guess in a good realtionship.

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- You didn't wait for someone who you think is the "one".
- Babies...
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Old 05-20-2007, 04:03 PM   #69
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You shouldn't have premarital sex because it makes white Jesus cry.

Seriously though, there are plenty of good arguments not to have sex before marriage...but really, if it's consensual, I don't see the harm as long as no one gets pregnant or contracts an STD (as long as they are smart about, as stated earlier in this thread).

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Old 05-20-2007, 04:06 PM   #70
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Although I'm Catholic... It wouldn't matter to me, I would just say if you really are in a deep realtionship, then go for it if you want to. Just be careful.
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- More sexual experience?
- Something special I guess in a good realtionship.
Those are not good reasons to have sex in a meaningful relationship. How about to deepen emotions, for trust (to give yourself to each other), for committment, for love.

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- You didn't wait for someone who you think is the "one".
- Babies...
That is really bad logic. So if you don't wait until marriage then you "didn't wait for someone who you think is the "one"". What of those who believe it is the one and so they take it further and have sex.
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Old 05-20-2007, 04:15 PM   #71
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to be honest if you want to be stupid go at it just when you have 10 children and you can't pay for them all DO NOT ask for my help! thats becuase you should be married before Boneing some one AND you should be married or engaged be for say the all to commonly used line: I LOVE YOU! but thats a discussion for another thread... some one should start it!
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to be honest if you want to be stupid go at it just when you have 10 children and you can't pay for them all DO NOT ask for my help! thats becuase you should be married before Boneing some one AND you should be married or engaged be for say the all to commonly used line: I LOVE YOU! but thats a discussion for another thread... some one should start it!
Ok, first of all I'm trying to read what you wrote in order to address your points.

First: We would not go to you if we had children, from your posting you would be a horrible contact point, though if I ever needed someone to be able to speak in a child-like manner to my children then I'll give you a call.

Second: "Boneing" someone. Ok.

Third: You do not have to be engaged or married to love someone. Wow that is insanely bad thought processing right there. Love should not be constricted by paper, by a ceremony, or by anything apart from how you both feel towards each other. Don't be so stupid as to try to combine love and marriage as one and the same.
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Old 05-20-2007, 04:36 PM   #73
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AND you should be married or engaged be for say the all to commonly used line: I LOVE YOU! but thats a discussion for another thread... some one should start it!

Can't say I agree with that at all. Be engaged or married to tell someone that you love them - um, excuse me, that is a bit over the top. You can care about people and love people and not marry them.

As for premarital sex: I personally agree with several statements - as long as those involved are INFORMED, and they know what they are doing, in regard to how sex can can affect them emotionally, and CONSENTING to participate in sexual activity and understand the CONSEQUENCES that can be involved in regard to reproduction and STD's then premarital sex should not be a huge issue.

I do understand how religion can affect some people's choice to wait until marriage and that's fine too. BUT religious views and ties aside, premarital sex is something personal that can be shared between people that love each other and care about each other. If it feels right then who is to say it is wrong? I'm not saying "Go be a whore!" I'm saying, use your own judgment and your head and your heart to make personal calls for yourself. Everyone is different and what feels right for some people may not for others. I think that engaging in sex responsibly should not be looked down on so harshly.
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Ok so I'm wondering why you gave me **** for having sex at 17?
I didn't give you **** for having sex at 17, I pointed out that you said "I was going to wait, but then I didn't, and I regret not waiting, but then utterly failed to wait yet again with someone else"
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Third: You do not have to be engaged or married to love someone. Wow that is insanely bad thought processing right there. Love should not be constricted by paper, by a ceremony, or by anything apart from how you both feel towards each other. Don't be so stupid as to try to combine love and marriage as one and the same.
Your right no ceramony needed, no paper needed marrage shouldn't be some slip of paper say something like: You married untill a divorce is done, or somthing like that but i do think that there should still be a line somwhere on saying i love you. most break ups where this line has been said are VARY nasty or somthing along those lines. there is also some one in the radio bussness who constantly mocks, argues and just is a total jerk on this and here is a link to his web site if you'd like to take a look.

Website: www.blowmeuptom.com
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Old 05-20-2007, 05:25 PM   #76
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Your right no ceramony needed, no paper needed marrage[/color] shouldn't be some slip of paper say something like: You married untill a divorce is done, or somthing like that but i do think that there should still be a line somwhere on saying i love you. most break ups where this line has been said are VARY nasty or somthing along those lines. there is also some one in the radio bussness who constantly mocks, argues and just is a total jerk on this and here is a link to his web site if you'd like to take a look.
Can I please direct you to the rules of this section:

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This is the internet, you have a dictionary and everything at hand so use them.

Also, saying I love you is purely based on emotions. If you love someone then you will know, and if you know then you will tell them when you feel the time is right, marriage shouldn't even be part of the sentence.
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I didn't give you **** for having sex at 17, I pointed out that you said "I was going to wait, but then I didn't, and I regret not waiting, but then utterly failed to wait yet again with someone else"
I didn't fail the second time I knew I wasn't gonna wait until I was married because Shayne and I are not going to get married until after I am done with college because of the financial aid I am on, I will lose it if I get married. I knew that I was not going to wait 5+ years to have sex with Shayne but I did wait until we had been together for awhile, we were and still are in love, and the time felt right. I do not regret having sex with Shayne at all, we do it quite frequently and we don't do it just for the fun factor we have sex because we enjoy being close with eachother and that connection we have. There is nothing wrong with being in a long term relationship, being in love, and making love, so you can stfu now thanks you.
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Can I please direct you to the rules of this section:



This is the internet, you have a dictionary and everything at hand so use them.

Also, saying I love you is purely based on emotions. If you love someone then you will know, and if you know then you will tell them when you feel the time is right, marriage shouldn't even be part of the sentence.
Internet, reasorces WHO GIVES A S***! people make mistakes! and also not every one follows the rules in fact if i could i'd bet 50,000 credits that you broke the rules at least once. (Note: the bet would include any other accounts that you have previously had.) I can't accualy issue this bet becuase i don't sit on the internet all day.
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Internet, reasorces WHO GIVES A S***! people make mistakes! and also not every one follows the rules in fact if i could i'd bet 50,000 credits that you broke the rules at least once. (Note: the bet would include any other accounts that you have previously had.) I can't accualy issue this bet becuase i don't sit on the internet all day.
Stop trying to flame and get on topic. In the critical thinking most people care about you using resources such as a dictionary as it means they can understand your posts. This is CRITICAL THINKING. Read those words carefully. Anywhere else your posts would be fine but this is supposed to be of a higher level of intelligence.

This does not involve me, I am trying to be fair with you here and tell you that you are breaking the rules so that perhaps you will change instead of ending up banned. Also, life card is invalid here, sorry.

Back on topic now, honestly.

VampyressKyttie - He wasn't attacking you. It's just the whole thing of "a fault for the first time is a mistake, but a fault for the second time is a failure." If you don't want to wait until marriage (pretty evident) then don't and continue not. He was just asking (in a roundabout way) why you broke your belief for a second time. You've explained it though so no worries.
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VampyressKyttie - He wasn't attacking you. It's just the whole thing of "a fault for the first time is a mistake, but a fault for the second time is a failure." If you don't want to wait until marriage (pretty evident) then don't and continue not. He was just asking (in a roundabout way) why you broke your belief for a second time. You've explained it though so no worries.
I was also trying to point out that she said she had sex with the first guy "Because she thought they were in love" and later regretted it because, in hindsight, they actually weren't, but -this- time "She knows they are in love" when "knows" is really just the present tense of "Thought" and that for all she can actually say now, two years from now she may continue regretting this one as well.

My point was trying to be "I'm going to wait until I'm married because it is the right thing to do....unless someone comes along and I -really- want to" isn't an exceptionally strong reason.
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