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Old 05-24-2007, 02:30 AM   #161
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Replying to Cavernio:

There are two case studies mentioned in my essay in a previous post (my second in this thread, I believe) about this. It's called the urban heat island effect, and its effects are calculated into global temperature studies (but also see that section of my essay on how this is inaccurate).
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We might be aware of global warming, even more aware later. I've read that each day, global warming increases the "planned" temperature by about 1 degree. It's real, I didnt even get any snow, or by any chances by January or February. That's maybe why I got snow REALLY LATE on the 2007 year.
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We might be aware of global warming, even more aware later. I've read that each day, global warming increases the "planned" temperature by about 1 degree. It's real, I didnt even get any snow, or by any chances by January or February. That's maybe why I got snow REALLY LATE on the 2007 year.
I read something about a talking snake and witchcraft somewhere too.. Hmm.. Let's believe everything we read instead of questioning and using our own logic. And if you want to use current weather as evidence for global warming, then my weather for this year would prove it to be a crock. We had a horrid snow storm early october, and had a snow storm after spring break. There was more snow this year than just about any of the past 5-10 years.
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Global warming doesn't just make the temperatures warmer, but as a result causes the temperatures to fluctuate and create different weather patterns than normal.
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I read something about a talking snake and witchcraft somewhere too.. Hmm.. Let's believe everything we read instead of questioning and using our own logic. And if you want to use current weather as evidence for global warming, then my weather for this year would prove it to be a crock. We had a horrid snow storm early october, and had a snow storm after spring break. There was more snow this year than just about any of the past 5-10 years.
You're comparing modern text by people qualified to say such to random people from 2000+ years ago? There's no comparison.
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I do hope the 2000 was a typo.

But local weather variations are no proof of global ANYTHING, so please don't post if you're going to talk about how your weather has been (not talking about anyone in particular but there have been quite a few people trying to use their area as a sample of the entire world)
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Global warming has puzzled even the most clever scientists, and its origins and its ways are not yet known.

It is said that humans, while they create more and more particles of CO2 into the atmosphere, greenhouse gasses increase and creates the greenhouse effect, which makes the earth a warmer place.

Some people do not believe to the idea because after the dinosaurs era an ice age occured. There were no pollution or unintellectual humans involved.

However, there were some evidence that during the dinosaurs era, the whole earth was full of volcanoes, which also emits greenhouse gas. There was also an evidence that there were no ice caps in the poles.

Global Warming is not yet a principle nor a scientific law. It is still a theory, awaiting further judgement and explainations. Even by trying to resolve it, it could never be known when it started and when it would end. Perhaps time could only tell.
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Global warming is an issue, for many of us, as seeming to be to big of a problem for any single person to handle. Its that response that makes it such a difficult problem to solve. As individuals, only then can we truly make a difference in our current crisis. By educating ourselves, our children and others, we take on the challenges needed to change our lifestyles to better suit our needs and our planets needs. By leading the way ourselves and taking the first steps, either politically or socially, each of us can make a difference that counts not only for our planet, but also our wallets.

Below you will find practical steps that reduce the impact we have on our natural world around us. As we use these ideas in our lives, we not only attribute to the health of mother nature, but we are also making our lives better in the process. Using less fuel and energy saves us money. Driving less by biking and walking improves our health. Eating organic and locally grown food reduces pesticides and fertilizers, and the fuel used to harvest and transport mass produced goods are reduced. All the aspects of these steps saves and heals all of us as well as leaving a sustainable planet for our grandchildren to come.

Energy efficient lighting

One of the simplest ways to reduce your energy needs is to replace all your regular incandescent light bulbs with super efficient compact fluorescent bulbs (CFL's). Of course, incandescents are much cheaper than fluorescents, but the cost upfront will pay for itself over time, due to the fact that CFL's last 10 times longer than incandescents and use 66% less energy. You can buy CFL's at most hardware stores, and due to their increasing popularity, have begun to decrease in price.

Energy efficient appliances

Lets face it, unless your rich, your just not going to buy new appliances. But keep in mind, that old refrigerator in the garage thats just cooling a 6 pack of beer, could be turned off and save yourself a few $100 a year. Use your microwave more often if you only need to heat small items. Turning on the stove to heat up water can be easier and cheaper in the microwave. Use large appliances such as the dishwasher or dryer at night during off peak hours to save money and more energy. Phantom loads drain power during non use. The VCR clock is a phantom load. Even though the VCR is off, the power is still being drawn for the display. Hook up phantom load appliances to a timer or power bar, and turn them off at night.
If in fact you are looking to buy new appliances, energy star appliances have the best energy ratings. For information on the newest energy saving appliances, visit www.energystar.gov

Heat and cool more efficiently

Heating and cooling your home accounts for 45% of your total energy usage. Thats almost half of your energy consumption. By simply turning down your thermostat 2 degrees in winter and 2 degrees up in the summer, can add up to real energy savings over time. By upgrading to a digital programmable thermostat, your can program the thermostat to go off during hours when its not needed, such as when you're at work or school, or as you sleep at night. By adding insulation to your walls, attic spaces, and crawl space, your energy efficiency goes up and less power is used.

Conserve hot water

Your energy usage can be reduced further, by limiting your hot water usage. Check your hot water heaters temperature, and set it below 120 degrees or at a lower temperature. Insulated the area your water heater is in also. You can use low flow restrictive shower heads to save on hot water usage. Wash clothes in warm or cold water, rather than hot lowers your bills and energy consumption as well. Remember when buying those appliances, front loading dishwashers are much more efficient than top loading machines for conserving hot water.

Energy efficient computers

Turning your computers to a more efficient mode, helps to conserve power. Whether at home or work, turning your computer to hibernate mode or low power mode conserves a considerable amount of money and energy. Up to 70% of the power a computer uses is wasted by idling. Upgrading to a laptop from a desktop can change your efficiency by 90%. Also switching to an ink jet printer from a laser printer can save you another 90%

Performing an energy audit

The average home in America uses around $1500 per year on energy, and with a few well thought out ideas and upgrades, can save around $450 or more. Doing an energy audit can show you the areas of your home that are consuming the most power. It also shows you where in your home the most energy is wasted. You can do your own energy audit by getting information and tools on-line at : www.energyguide.com

Switch to green power

Renewable power has long been known as the key to reducing our dependency on fossil fuels. As more and more people use the sun and wind for energy, the cost in buying solar equipment and the like will decrease. Although the price is still high, their are large tax breaks and grants for funding that are available from the government. If your not able to afford a solar upgrade like most of us, there is an alternative. In many regions, the local power utility can contract to receive energy from more Eco- friendly sources. The cost may be higher, but as more and more people elect to use these ways, the prices will go down. For more information on the subject go on-line to: www.epa.gov/greenpower. If green power is not available in your area you can also buy tradeable renewable energy certificates (TRC's) For more information visit www.green-e.org.

Drive less
Around 30% of all carbon dioxide emissions come from vehicles that transport us, and transport our goods and services. More than 90% of this travel is by car. While fuel efficiency has declined in the past 10 years, gas prices have risen and created a new market for more efficient cars. As the government sets tighter restrictions on fuel economy, and the demand for fuel efficiency grows, the scenario sets it self for us to buy and create hybrid vehicles and electric cars. Reduce the numbers of hours in the car by biking and walking more. Consolidating all of your trips into one trip throughout the week, or use mass transit. If you can save 20 miles a week, then you just saved the earth about 1000 pounds of carbon dioxide emissions a year.

Drive smarter

By changing some driving habits, you can save on fuel economy. Avoid driving during rush hour if possible. By wasting less time sitting in traffic you save on all that gas spent idling. Drive the speed limit. A cars fuel efficiency drops sharply over 55 mph. Keep your car in top order. A clean air filter and properly inflated tires on a well serviced car will save big at the pump. Drive with the windows up at high speeds can save more over time to.

Reduce air travel

Not everyone flies, but if your a frequent flyer then taking two or more flights less a year can seriously reduce emissions. If you don't fly, but drive for vacations, try taking them closer to home. By driving less, and using mass transit such as a train or bus, can save greatly on traveling expenses as well as the environment. If you must fly, then your alternative is buying carbon offsets in exchange for the emissions spent. For information on carbon offsets contact: www.betterworldclub.com

There are actually many ways and I've included four below that are simple and easy for you to implement right away. All four of these recommendations focus on reducing your energy consumption in order to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases you are personally responsible for generating. When you look at this list you may think to yourself that these things don't have a big impact. If that's what you think, then you need to understand...

If you only pay attention to your own actions, then you are not going to be effective in preventing global warming!

If you are the only person to implement the following recommendations, you'd be right; your actions wouldn't have a big impact. But, by making these simple changes you show the people around you how to prevent global warming by leading by example.

By being the change you wish to see, you greatly increase your credibility in the eyes of your peers, which makes it much easier for you to enroll them in helping to prevent global warming with you.

So, don't underestimate the power of these four easy ways to prevent global warming!

Prevent global warming by minimizing drafts in your home.

One of the simplest and easiest ways to prevent global warming is to make sure all your windows and doors are draft free. Small gaps in your windows and doors can cause you to consume a lot more energy than you really need to in order to heat and cool your home. To make your home free from drafts wait until a cold day, then hold your hand along the edges of your doors and windows feeling for cold air.

If you detect drafts, buy weather stripping from your local hardware store and install it wherever it is needed.

Prevent global warming by reducing your waste electricity use.

Amazingly about 11% of residential electricity consumption is used by "phantom loads." A phantom load is caused when an electrical appliance draws electricity when it isn't in use. For example, a DVD player has an electrically lighted display that stays on even when you turn the power off. An easy way to eliminate these phantom loads is to plug your computers, printers, scanners, DVD players, televisions, etc. into multi-plug electrical surge protectors. Then, with one flick of the switch, you can make sure that the appliances plugged into your surge protectors are drawing no electricity at all.

Prevent global warming with more efficient light bulbs!

One of the simplest ways to prevent global warming is by using more efficient light bulbs. The Union of Concerned Scientists tell us that if every American household replaced just one incandescent light bulb with a compact fluorescent one, then over the life of the bulbs 90 billion pounds of CO2 emission would be prevented from going into the atmosphere. This is like taking 6.3 million cars off the road!

Prevent global warming by turning down your hot water heater.

Most of us have our hot water heaters turned up too high. If you turn down your hot water thermostat just 10 degrees Fahrenheit, you reduce 3% to 5% of your energy consumption. You'll have plenty of hot water if you set your water heater between 110-120 degrees Fahrenheit.

These four simple ways to prevent global warming can be implemented quickly, easily, and with little to no expense. If the potential effects of global warming are really scary to you, then you should implement these changes in your life today, but don't stop there!

Once you've implemented these solutions, share this article with your friends, and explain to your friends how you've made these simple changes. Be sure to offer your friends help and support in making these changes themselves to make it extra easy for them to prevent global warming with you.

Also, when you tell your friends about this article and the changes you've made, be sure to explain all the benefits you've received from doing so. Help your friends feel how these four simple solutions have helped give you more hope, save you money, etc! The more your friends can feel the emotional and financial benefits you've experienced from preventing global warming, they more likely they are to join you!

Lead by example, and help others to do the same!

The cumulative effect will be significant if you put dedicated effort into changing yourself while supporting those around you to do the same.

So don't delay, be the change you wish to see.

Implement these four recommendations so you can help in preventing global warming today, and then get others to join you in your efforts!
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Regardless of whether or not you think Global Warming is happening we should still conserve our environment and try to avoid being so parasitic.

Since I am not an environmental scientist I'm going to side with "global warming seems like something worth paying attention to even if it is a load of crap" because even if it is, we need to become better at living a sustainable way of life.

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Global warming is a hoax. Yes, the world is getting warmer. But we are not to blame. The liberals think saying global warming is our fault would allow them to be relied on more so they can control our tradition easier. Especially religion.

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The liberals think saying global warming is our fault would allow them to be relied on more so they can control our tradition easier. Especially religion.

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You think liberals invented global warming to control religion? That's biggest load of crap I've ever heard of, ever. You should have just said that liberals are nazi-communists. (yes, I realize that I put those two together)
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They're not trying to control religion? I've met a few Americans from the New England region that weren't happy with me being Christian. Which isa surprise because I'm in a very Christian area.
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Global warming occupies the fear vacuum that we've had since fall of the Berlin Wall. Politicized science is the real threat.
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On the subject of fearful things being politicized, I'd say terrorism probably trumps global warming.
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Global warming is a hoax. Yes, the world is getting warmer. But we are not to blame. The liberals think saying global warming is our fault would allow them to be relied on more so they can control our tradition easier. Especially religion.

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Do you have any proof at all for this statement? I mean I honestly don't care what your opinions are on liberals because there are always different views, but please explain how in the world a liberal view on global warming tries to control religion? If anything, religion tries to control global warming because of the "other side" of global warming where a person claimed that the world would end in 7 years due to religion.
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Okay, so I've read your essay now Nezeru. You make some valid points, however, you've not backed up everything with references, at least in what you've posted. Failing to do so makes your essay extremely hypocritical, seeing as a point of it is to counter 'bad science', although it nicely supports another thesis, that we don't know enough.
To be needlessly nitpicky, and revisit ideas, I will point out where you've not been critical enough.

You can't arbitrarily choose different starting years for different areas of the world to make comparisons of present day temperatures to simply because they show very little increase for any given year. Perhaps compared to 1890 or 1970 in Chile, the temperature has actually increased by 5 degrees. Are you using 30 year normals like Environment Canada does? How far back can you and still expect to get accurate recordings of temperature, and from where? You believe that the US data is reliable since the 1900's or so, as do I, yet I find it hard to believe that data even from Europe as far back as 1850 even would be reliable enough to be talking about, particularly if you're just talking about any given year. Also, no references in that paragraph.

The following paragraph also has no reference except for ambiguous 'Houghton'. Where has the IPCC obtained it's data, and why on earth would it not be obtained using the same instruments as ALL weather data is obtained? There's clearly a lot of interpretation of data going on as long as I trust you're not just pulling out info from your ass, (which you could be for all I know from your lack of referal), but you've given me little reason to believe what you say versus what the IPCC has reportedly said.
You refute what 'politicians' say, and I know I'm oblivious to much media, but I've not yet heard people say this is the hottest the earth has ever been.

Talk of CO2 levels being much higher 'in the past' is utterly pointless, since you've given no time frame. At some point 'in the past' the earth didn't exist.

The paragraph on Greenland melting, again, has no references. You're supposed to cite them, even if they are 'numerous'. What you say makes sense only provided you back it up.

That you point out that CO2 is not abundant overall in the atmosphere is utterly pointless seeing as you do not discuss the amount of CO2 required to make a just noticeable difference in heat due to the greenhouse effect. But that's been addressed already.

"The atmospheric effects of man-made global warming have not yet been detected, apart from increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere."
If this is true, then all we need as evidence to say that global warming is being caused by what politicians say causes it, is to know if the amount by which carbon dioxide has increased due to humans is enough for a greenhouse effect to occur.
"There are many forces at work in maintaining the Earth’s homeostasis, and it is unlikely that burning fossil fuels will severely compromise this."
That depends on what you mean by 'severe'.

"There is no evidence linking global warming to increased severe weather activity."
Looking at overall global temperature looks at far too big an area. Weather's highly unpredictable, but the more factors and smaller the areas that we look at and understand, the better the accuracy. There is the possibility that factors which cause global warming also cause more severe weather activity in some parts of the world.

"Increased atmospheric carbon dioxide stimulates plant growth, so rumors of potential crop failure due to global warming make no sense."
I really shouldn't have to point out that crops don't subsist on CO2 alone and that you're completely ignoring possible indirect causes. Talk about not looking at the big picture.

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There is definitive scientifical proof now that shows that global warming is indeed real, and will become a threat in the future. What we need to do now is act against the spread of global warming. I recently gave a Power Point Presentation to my class about global warming and I would be happy to post it on here as my proof that global warming exists.
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I think people would rather you post from where you got the proof, as opposed to simply seeing how you chose to present things to your class.
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It's obvious that global warming is real, and while we can do things to help prevent it, we can't stop it.

I remember when I was littler..when global warming was "discovered" and how people were worried that the Earth was going to burn out and die, something bad would happen, etc., those things.

It's not totally our fault that global warming is happening. It's also the Earth aging, and the strain from modernization and technology.

If you're a fan of Doctor Who and you watched Episode Two of Season 1 of the new series, you saw what happened to the earth 5 billion years from now. It burned up, it died, exploded, etc. All lifeforms had been dead before "earth death", and most of it was because of global warming.

In the real world, you can tell how global warming is affecting our climate. In my hometown, when it generally is only 60+ degrees in June, starting in mid-April the tempatures got hotter (70-80+), and we had a lot of rain. Last Friday we even reached 97 degrees. Global warming had to do with it, and while i'm sure the earth isn't going to burn out in the next 200 years or something, global warming IS a problem. I remember a quote my 5th grade teacher used a lot "Adults gave you global warming. It's our kids problems now."

I see now he was wrong. We weren't handed global warming, and were told "You must prevent this" Global warming came by itself, in a way. While we can help prevent it, there's basically nothing we can do besides that.
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Don't you think you're going into a bit too much detail over something so...morbid. We will be dead before global warming becomes a threat, so no need to worry!

Now there is the obvious idea that our descendents will have to pay the price for our waste. The fact that global warming is making the earth a hotter place will not have to be such a bad thing. Think of it as god's divine judgement..
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