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Old 05-1-2007, 01:33 PM   #21
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I think rap in general is repetitive, uncreative, shallow, and lacks the substance of most other music. Most themes are based on killing people, losing your girlfriend, knocking up your girlfriend, fighting with your girlfriend, doing drugs, and doing bad things to the community. It is the worst kind of music, it is hardly an art, and does not do justice to people with a creative ear. Additionally, the rap music here on FFR is absolutely horrible and should be removed on those grounds alone. If the music isn't bad enough, the steps are subpar to the rest of the songs out there. Please admins, do something about the poor selection you are providing in the rap/hip hop section.
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I think rap in general is repetitive, uncreative, shallow, and lacks the substance of most other music.
That on its own isn't really relevent to anything outside your own personal opinion. Plenty of people quite like it. Plenty of rap which as music as repetitive or lacks substance suddenly becomes a lot less so if you stop thinking of it as music and start thinking of it as poetry. Listen to some really skilled freestyle rapping some time and tell me if you think you could do that completely off the top of your head. I know I can't.

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Most themes are based on killing people, losing your girlfriend, knocking up your girlfriend, fighting with your girlfriend, doing drugs, and doing bad things to the community.
Now this is a reasonable objection to rap music insofar as it covers your personal opinion of rap music. To those who -like- those themes in their music, it is logic explaining why rap is in fact the -best- kind of music.

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It is the worst kind of music, it is hardly an art, and does not do justice to people with a creative ear.
This is a bit of a generalization. I've heard plenty of music that I'd classify as being rap/hip-hop that was incredibly creative, skilled, and as a musician myself, recognizable as being quite techinically impressive as well. Look up some music by the Pocket Dwellers some time.

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Additionally, the rap music here on FFR is absolutely horrible and should be removed on those grounds alone. If the music isn't bad enough, the steps are subpar to the rest of the songs out there. Please admins, do something about the poor selection you are providing in the rap/hip hop section.
This is an entrely seperate arguement that ought to have its own thread, probably not in CT.

I mean...you raise some good points about why -you- don't like rap music, but you haven't touched at all on whether rap music is a bad influence, and on the larger scale whether media in general has a large influence on children and what ought to be done, if anything, to control that influence. Though we have no doubts now about why you personally don't like rap.
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I SWEAR I typed this post up last night. In fact I know I did, but I guess I didn't ever submit it...

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Of course the image portrayed by the gansta rap community isn't most the desirable, but it's not their responsibility to do what's ethically right. Record companies are businesses, they market what's popular. There's a demand for this kind of crap, therefore the company produces more crap.
I never once suggested that the rappers are obligated to present a better image for the sake of the kids. I know as well as you do that they're money-driven, and I'm totally fine with it; I was just pointing out where the problem lies.

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The "rap music" is the source of the problem, it just exasperates it.
I'm not trying to be grammar nazi Guido, here, but are you using the archaic definition of the word, here? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/exasperate
If not, I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

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Getting rid of "undesirable" influences it's like slapping a bandage on tumor and calling it cured. Whatever happened to parents actually having a role in their children's lives?
I think your analogy is a bit off, here. I'd say that the parents' involvement and keeping the kids on the right course is a surgical removal of the tumor, while removing the bad influences is radiation treatment designed to prevent it from coming back (or something like that; I'm no oncologist). They both play an integral part.

You know as well as I do that no good parent can completely shelter their child from the world. If they try they're criticized for not showing their child the real world. Parents can do as much as they can, but they cannot completely prevent the effects of exposure to something that's so prevalent in our culture (especially black culture). Friends, radio, television, movies, all those things glorify rapper life, and listenting to the music or watching the videos is not something as concrete as doing heroin or smoking or something that the parents can set the kid on the right path and reasonably expect that he stays there. No, it's just listening to music, which seems harmless to a teenage kid.

But, without the rappers' glorification of the lifestyle, there's no reason to pay attention to it or like it. Having one without the other will not solve the problem.

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Old 05-1-2007, 04:59 PM   #24
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The "rap music" is the source of the problem, it just exasperates it.
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I'm not trying to be grammar nazi Guido, here, but are you using the archaic definition of the word, here? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/exasperate
If not, I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
The word you (And presumably they) were looking for is exacerbates, meaning to make worse, though even it is more just a modern version of the archaic definition of exasperate, perhaps because of how exasperation changed definition slightly.
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Old 05-1-2007, 06:28 PM   #25
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wlfwind91 i forgot to add that i was lazy to add an argument. i wouldve pretty much said the same thing as the others anyway
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Old 05-1-2007, 06:36 PM   #27
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knocking up your girlfriend.
Lawl. Yah, I do agree.. I hate MOST songs that they say/sing, half the time I'm not sure whether they're are singing or not; all I hear from them is what they're saying and the music in the background, but some of them are O.K., a little of their videos are legitimate, but most of them are suggestive/inappropriate.

Probably the reason why most people listen to the music, is that they are really not into the music, but into the "music-video".. I'm not sure about this, but when I change the channel on the TV to a music video channel, sometimes inappropriate ones come up, not meant for children under 13 or something..

(I almost never listen to rap music, I do not enjoy it... but when I'm bored on the TV I look around and find some "strange" stuff on the music videos SOMETIMES.. So anyways)...
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Great. Fantastic.

Now, we're having a discussion, here, so would you mind either contributing or leaving?

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Old 05-1-2007, 07:04 PM   #29
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I dont think that its entirely the rap community's fault for the way our society has gone downhill. A main factor is the parent's choice of whether or not he/she lets their child listen to it. As a young child growing up in a traditional family, I was raised to think that rap was bad and evil. In a sense, it is. It promotes basically nothing good and everything bad. Now, in our time, too many parents are fine with letting their children run loose and do whatever their little hearts desire. They start to listen to rap music and the imitate the rappers in those videos, and that is where you start to see all the negativity behind it.
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A main factor is the parent's choice of whether or not he/she lets their child listen to it.
Or more to the point, whether the parents are even -aware- of what their children do or do not listen to.
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Old 05-1-2007, 10:31 PM   #31
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sorry for leaving useless posts. i shall leave my argument now. children are able to take in information and it seems to come to them easily. just like with learning a language, after some time of hearing words being spoken to them they pick it up. how much more when they hear the lyrics related to violence, sex, money, etc. their minds are still developing so whatever enters their brains tend to stick. it is ridiculous how many kids are cursing these days. although rap music may not be the cause of it all, it does play a role. children emulate what hear regardless of whether its bad or good.
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To me letting yourself be influenced by medial things is what the problem is. I mean, if people are going to say that certain things influence people, then they must realize that MUCH OF MEDIA IS INFLUENTIAL. Now, if you listen to a rap song that talks about selling drugs and getting girls pregnant at a young age, or if you play a video game where you sell drugs and rob cars for money, who's to say they don't influence people? Saying rap music influences people is just as vague as saying video games influence people. Magazines influence girls to be abnormally skinny, and that is what causes many females to develop anorexia. Men's magazines influence the use of steroids and other drugs to bulk up.

Being so easily influenced by the media is the problem, people begin to lose sight of what reality is and they begin to think, "Hey, if the guy in the song does it, i could, too".

Anyways, no i don't think music influences MOST people. However the question is about kids, and i think that because of their age their minds are much easier influenced, and so i think some music can be bad for kids. But as you get older you should begin to realize that music shouldn't influence your LIFE (moods, maybe, but use your head and you can't go wrong).
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A lot of people feel the need to be what the media says they should be, and that is the true problem. How easily someone can be swayed from reality to media's reality is the problem. (Redundant post?)
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I think rap in general is repetitive, uncreative, shallow, and lacks the substance of most other music. Most themes are based on killing people, losing your girlfriend, knocking up your girlfriend, fighting with your girlfriend, doing drugs, and doing bad things to the community. It is the worst kind of music, it is hardly an art, and does not do justice to people with a creative ear. Additionally, the rap music here on FFR is absolutely horrible and should be removed on those grounds alone. If the music isn't bad enough, the steps are subpar to the rest of the songs out there. Please admins, do something about the poor selection you are providing in the rap/hip hop section.
I'm 13, and I highly agree with this opinon.

Rap is...well, let me put it in forum terms.

Rap=fail.

I absolutely hate today's rap, but the stuff in the past, like in the 90s and such (remember The Sugarhill Gang, NWA, and Run DMC?) has some meaning.

Today, sexual content gets to teens and screws them up.

Stay like me, stick to the classics and find alternatives.
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Guido - Paul Wall, Eminem to an extent.

Some rap music is good, but listening to songs about killing people doesn't make me want to kill people. The stereotypes perpetuated by the majority of todays rappers are bad though.
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Is rap music a bad influence on kids these days? I, personally, disagree with that, I wouldn't listen/do what the lyrics say in those songs. Of course most rap songs have some "bad" lyrics but I don't think most kids would necessarily do what they say.

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Tupac would be a great example of a setting a good example. He shares his hardships with society about how he's hit rock bottom and tried to show people there -is- a light at the end of the tunnel. That you -dont- have to start smoking weed, drink, get prostitutes.

I mean, I don't listen to rap, but that's my perspective on it.

Is rap music a bad influence? Yes, to an extent.
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I don't even count rap, hip-hop, or R&B as music.
I completely dispise all of them.
I think that people who listen to them are as shallow as can be,
because that music is TOTALLY immoral.

Rap is a terrible influence on the teenage mind nowadays...
Thank you for ruining society, rap music. I hate you.
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Wow
So Ni**ers With Attitude has some meaning that doesn't influence anything bad on the african american community of those times?

I might want to rethink that.
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I'm 13, and I highly agree with this opinon.

Rap is...well, let me put it in forum terms.

Rap=fail.

I absolutely hate today's rap, but the stuff in the past, like in the 90s and such (remember The Sugarhill Gang, NWA, and Run DMC?) has some meaning.

Today, sexual content gets to teens and screws them up.

Stay like me, stick to the classics and find alternatives.
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Guido, why are so many useless posts being made?

Anyway, the question here is not whether you consider hip hop/rap/R&B a form of music. It's not whether you like it or not, and frankly no one here gives a rat's ass. I agree with Maruku, that it is a lot like a language for younger kids, because what they hear is what the emulate. They hear people swearing 24/7 they start to swear if they hear people talking about drive-bys and smackin their hos then they'll try and get involved with both. But, as always it all comes right down to the parents. Yes, much of the rap industry is despicable (Not all, because there is some I like) and shouldn't even be published, because the sad fact of the matter is that most rappers sit and try to write lyrics that's appealing to white, suburban middle school kids who want to be hard-core. You do have some like Eminem whose goal is far from young children, since he does have a daughter of his own and understands the effect music and lyrics can have on kids, he wouldn't let his own daughter listen to that bullcrap. Yes, rap is a bad influence, but parents are a worse influence.
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You know as well as I do that no good parent can completely shelter their child from the world. If they try they're criticized for not showing their child the real world. Parents can do as much as they can, but they cannot completely prevent the effects of exposure to something that's so prevalent in our culture (especially black culture). Friends, radio, television, movies, all those things glorify rapper life, and listenting to the music or watching the videos is not something as concrete as doing heroin or smoking or something that the parents can set the kid on the right path and reasonably expect that he stays there. No, it's just listening to music, which seems harmless to a teenage kid.
I'm not saying "don't expose your children to rap music." I'm just saying that in the argument of "rap music is a bad influence" can easily be remedied by parents investing a little time to educate their children that the "rapper lifestyle" is unrealistic and morally wrong and not to by into that crap.
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