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Old 04-26-2007, 08:47 PM   #21
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Being fully honest I have seen in articles that we have seen and looked at over 200 planets. Besides that, I think its worth a shot. I mean, our planet isn't going to hold out another few hundred years the way we're handling it. It even shows within the next 50 years water levels of the oceans could raise another 40 feet. Storms would get worse and we would be in a major crises. We do have technology of getting people in outter space and we do have machines that can semi-perma put us to sleep for a long period of time. If it gets down to it, we're going to need another planet. This might not be such a bad opertunity. I'm all for developing another planet.
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Old 04-26-2007, 09:09 PM   #22
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We do have technology of getting people in outter space and we do have machines that can semi-perma put us to sleep for a long period of time. If it gets down to it, we're going to need another planet. This might not be such a bad opertunity. I'm all for developing another planet.
Well if were just talking about getting people off-planet to help lighten the load on Earth, that's much more attainable than setting up a colony in another solar system entirely. I personaly always thought Mars and the Moon were good first options for colony sort of things. I've always kind of liked books on topics like that. If any of you read the Stone Dogs, that kind of deal (with underground / artifical habitats being built directly into the planet, and terraforming). Or at least more complex and inclusive space station program (as in the Ender's Game series, again that only makes sense if you read the books). Not only does that seem more directly attainable to me, but it just seems like an overall good idea. Lowering the current population, opening up new firlds of resources and research...all seems good to me. Long-term project, definatly, but doable.

The real problem, to me, at least, would be keeping up communications and trade between a colony and Earth. If a colony was sent and then forgotten, anything could happen to them. Massive tragedy, historic scientific breakthrough, and we'd never know. The colonists' society would evolve to the point of being completely different from ours. Physical pressure coupled with the break from society would cause drastic changes, possibly leading to the point of the colony and Earth not being abe to get along at all. The point of setting up a multi-system/planet economy is what a project like this would be all about, in my opinion. Any thoughts on an off-planet project inside our system?
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Old 04-26-2007, 09:19 PM   #23
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another colony would be good, but eventualy we will need another planet. There most likely are ways to communicate that far.like TV channel stations. I read somewhere that the frequency under a certain type could go many lightyears out. It was a while back.
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Old 04-26-2007, 10:32 PM   #24
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We do have technology of getting people in outter space and we do have machines that can semi-perma put us to sleep for a long period of time.
We have machines that are hideously expensive, unwieldy, and for their size can put maybe 15 people into space in a way that is any kind of useful, and when you subtract the number of people needed to actually make it work properly, you don't really have room for a lot of settlers.

Further, our abilities to terraform are scanty at best when applied to our own planet while we stand on it, terrafroming another planet from that same ship is functionally an impossibility with our current level of technology.

I mean, as it stands, we can do maybe -one- of "Put a bunch of people into orbit", "Send a ship to another planet", and "Build a habitat capable of supporting human life" But I really don't see a way that we can do all three, in sequence, in one go, unless our goal is successfully allowing maybe 2 or 3 people to live in an enclosed habitat on the moon, for a few years.
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another colony would be good, but eventualy we will need another planet. There most likely are ways to communicate that far.like TV channel stations. I read somewhere that the frequency under a certain type could go many lightyears out. It was a while back.
Exactly. My point with having another entire planet (specificaly one in another system, a terraformed Mars is close enough not to realy matter). Its not HOW FAR the message can go, but rather HOW FAST IT CAN DO IT. What good is it to have a utopian planet 30 lightyears away with a group of colonists on it, if a message to them takes 30 years to get there and another 30 to get back, let alone another ship taking that round trip. To maintain a working colony anywhere else, we need to keep communications and trade viable, otherwise we might as well all pack up shop and leave Earth entirely.

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Old 04-27-2007, 03:37 AM   #26
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first i say we should get some people go fly out there immediately. like a group of 15 or so like devon mentioned. just to start us off.
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Old 04-27-2007, 03:53 AM   #27
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And when they get there they do what? All get out of the spaceship, collapse to the ground and asphyxiate?
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Old 04-27-2007, 10:04 AM   #28
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We do have technology of getting people in outter space and we do have machines that can semi-perma put us to sleep for a long period of time.
Let's talk about this for a second. Sure, we could put people to sleep...but wait a second. This thing is at least 21 lightyears away. Given even our most advanced propulsion systems, at our current abilities it would take at least 350,000 years to get there. That's just a ridiculous amount of time...I just can't see it working out. We're going to run into problems in the less than a year it takes to get to mars. There are tons of things that can go wrong. At this point we would never last 350,000 years.


And you're telling us we should send people out there for a test run? And uh, just wait around here for 350,000 years to see how it went? XD We could be another species by then.

Mars is a much much better short term goal >__> Given our current abilities it wouldn't be hard to colonize the moon. They had plans for this, but I'm not sure if it's still on. We have the technology to colonize mars as well, but politics slows this kind of stuff down. I think the first man on mars mission has been delayed to like 2030.
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Old 04-27-2007, 10:37 AM   #29
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If this planet is 21 lightyears away shouldn't the light that we are seeing from it's star and the planet be 21 years old? What if, in that 21 years, something has happened to the star and/or the planet, causing it's destruction? All of this would just be a waste of time. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
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Old 04-27-2007, 01:19 PM   #30
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If this planet is 21 lightyears away shouldn't the light that we are seeing from it's star and the planet be 21 years old? What if, in that 21 years, something has happened to the star and/or the planet, causing it's destruction? All of this would just be a waste of time. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
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Old 04-27-2007, 01:59 PM   #31
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Given it's 21 million light years away, we could get there in about 310 days ^^ About half that if you could get your speed up to 184000.

Are you kidding me? It takes 6-8 years just to get something to pluto.

EDIT: My bad, 10 years

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/0...ion/index.html
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What if I get hit by a car once I get out of the house! Better stay at home.
I agree with you. That is a very big risk.
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Old 04-27-2007, 05:19 PM   #33
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Are you kidding me? It takes 6-8 years just to get something to pluto.

EDIT: My bad, 10 years

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/0...ion/index.html
I stated specifically what speeds you would have to travel at to get there in 310 days or less (97.8%c)

Also, in my last post I said it would take more than 350,000 years to get there given our current propulsion systems, so yes, I am well aware that we have nowhere near the ability to get to this place yet XD Getting there in less than a year is purely hypothetical, given we had the ability to travel at the speeds I said.
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It seems we need to find a different method of traveling. Which might pose problematic.
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Old 04-30-2007, 07:25 PM   #35
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... nor send messages at the speed of light...
Uhm, we do this everyday.
Radio, X-Rays, etc, etc.

"Light" isn't just visible light. It includes everything in the electromagnetic spectrum, all of which moves at the same speed.
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Old 05-5-2007, 10:14 PM   #36
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One of the big questions is, even if we could get humans to this planet, would they even stay human? I mean, you're dealing with a completely new set of environmental issues, and that means we would evolve differently than we would on earth...who knows, we may end up with a completely different species after a few hundred thousand years of colonization...

that'd make a cool sci fi novel...
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Old 05-9-2007, 08:53 PM   #37
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The problem of this issue is the lack of technology. Is it possible to create a spaceship that can travel fast enough to reach the new planet in less than a year. You can't expect to be staying in the same place for more than a month, or maybe a year.
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:34 AM   #38
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Our planet is not dying and the only thing we're doing in the category of making it uninhabitable is overpopulating it.

However, the idea of exporting people to another planet to save this one is absurd. We couldn't build enough ships fast enough to ship human beings off this planet at even a tenth the rate that human beings are born.

The whole point of interplanetary colonization is to spread the human race far and wide throughout the universe so that if some global catastrophe occured (more likely natural than man-induced) then even losing all the human beings on one planet would not be enough to halt the survival of the species.

We would send the absolute best and brightest on the first expeditions. Further colony ships would have lower restrictions on who could go.

It takes bright minds to settle a new world. It would likely be decades before they had a self-sustaining agricultural society. It also takes hardy and motivated people to dedicate their lives to such work. So the smart but weak and the strong but stupid would have to stay behind as well.

Different religions and political organizations would also be vying for control of the first ships. That part would be a catastrophe.

Assuming the atmosphere and surface conditions were truly suitable to human life (or at least within some tolerable range of suitability) the difficulty would probably be more to do with the trip there.

Cryogenics is not panning out and therefore we would need ships with somplex life support and agricultural systems. There would be a hell of a lot of technical difficulties and political instabilities on those multi-decade possibly multi-century journeys. There would possibly be some skirmishes or wars had on these ships during travel and the likelihood of one faction or another gaining control of propulsion or energy systems mid-flight and using them as barter/leverage to gain control of the whole mission (and possibly blowing up or disabling the ship mid-journey) would be pretty high.

All in all, I don't think humans will make it and if they do, no one on THIS website would be going on the first journeys. Except for maybe someone like me.
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One of the big questions is, even if we could get humans to this planet, would they even stay human? I mean, you're dealing with a completely new set of environmental issues, and that means we would evolve differently than we would on earth...who knows, we may end up with a completely different species after a few hundred thousand years of colonization...

that'd make a cool sci fi novel...
My guess is our technology level is sufficient that if we made it to the planet, evolution wouldn't be playing that great a role in our developement as a species.
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Old 05-10-2007, 10:05 AM   #40
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planetary travel will probably not happen for hundreds if not thousands of years. *popped your bubble*
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