Old 03-30-2004, 06:24 PM   #41
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Well...and speaking from a totally unbiased, outsider's standpiont...the white man did kind of fuck everything up. Let's see what we've accomplished: Organized religion, slavery, government, terorrism, Bush (XD), etc. So on, and so forth...really, if you look at it, the white man is the reason we are where we are today (notice, where we are today is not a good place). Think back in history- most major wars, political disagreements, racism, and the general attitude toward the world, has all been influenced by us.
I dont necisarrily agree that where we are today is such a bad place. I mean yeah, we have problems, Lots of problems, but if you look at our standard of living compared to EVERY other country in the world, we definetly take the gold. and as much crap politics is out there, I think that to live in such a privlidged lifestyle, we have to deal with it. Without it, our lives would be much worse off.

Oh yes, my comment on the actual subject. Well, I think that white men ARE getting discriminated against by the minorities who so valiantly fought for equal rights in the 1960s. Isn't there something wierd with this. I think its because the democratic party has catered to the needs of the minorities and telling them that they deserved more than the common man, and with the institution of Welfare and other such horrible programs it has become socially acceptable to mooch off the governments money and not get jobs. I think that because so many of these people are in this state, that they yell and scream the loudest, just like a kid when you spoil them, and so politicians can't ignore their demands. So becuase of this, we have things like Affirmative Action, which I Do believe is racist against the majority. So, yeah.
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Old 03-31-2004, 04:35 PM   #42
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not bein racist or anything but didn't the black man raise the crime rate. Yea us "krackers" did fuck up a lot of stuff but so did the muslims with their terrorism, and if your against firearms (I'm not) the chinese man invented gun powder.
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Old 04-1-2004, 01:52 AM   #43
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Saying that black people made the crime rate rise isn't quite right.

Poverty is the root behind most crime, and if you look at the amount of african-americans in poverty, compared to whites, and apply that to the ratio of blacks to whites in prison, the numbers aren't far off.

The "muslims" with their "terrorism" is just a response to the US and Israeli terrorism that they've been facing. I'm not trying to justify it, but I feel a lot of americans have looked at their country and thought "Why would they attack us?" without looking into US foreign policy for the last 50 years and finding out why the extremists have targeted their country.
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Old 04-3-2004, 03:57 AM   #44
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Unfortunately, I highly doubt the past would be looked in to to decide who deserves the education more.
I can't really think of much on this topic atm =/
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Old 04-17-2004, 09:49 PM   #45
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Specific note to jewpin: WTF is Bush doing in there with KKK and Neo-Nazis? What the heck did he do that was evil or racist? He did what he felt was best for America, fighting back in a war against us that had already been going on for many years. Also, stealing land from the Native Americans? It's called conquering.

Back to the rest: some of the stuff people said here is total junk. "White man" may have done a lot of bad things, but so did everyone else, we're just the most sucessful with our good things. Europeans aren't the only ones who had slavery, they were just the most obvious. WM may have oppressed many, but so did everyone else. However, WM also invented freedom and democracy. Who else did that on their own?

The "Go drive in your SUV to Starbucks and get a hot cup of STFU" is obviously a stereotype. How many people own an SUV? Not THAT many. How many visit Starbucks? Only those in cities. How many adhere to all the pathetic images people try and force on Americans? Few. We aren't greedy, close-minded, or selfish. Only the gullible believe that. Look around you and learn how people really are.

About the minorities scholarships, etc. The reason for this is to allow determined individuals to escape from their cultures, which are holding them down. No, it is not to help them fight against the "unfair whites." It is to help them get away from those others who would hold them down. I can give a specific example: the "ghetto dwellers" culture of black americans. The culture itself drags people down, encourages continuation of poor conditions and encourages people to keep others down with them. Even violent actions are commonly used to prevent people from escaping their culture, but many of those who do escape (especially in the example) are considered removed from the culture entirely. An example I have seen of this is the insult where black guys say someone like Collin Powell is white because they have a respectable position and are earning their own wealth.
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There is a major reverse-descrimination problem in the world when you look. This is a truly major topic if people cared to pay enough attention to the things around them to see all the nuances that effect the truth. It's nice to see that atleast a few do.
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Old 04-17-2004, 10:39 PM   #46
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my thoughts: in general black people put themselves down and they like it there. they dont want to be in the government, they like their bling bling and hip hoozo stuff or whatever. they dont value education as much as being hip, just from my experiences.

Asians work really hard and are serious about what they do. you dont often see a big fat lacking-in-self-discipline slob asian abusing the system, but i see whites and blacks do it all the time.


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Old 04-17-2004, 10:43 PM   #47
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Think about this... with the current caucasian birth rate whites will be the minority by 2050
hahaha...
what about mixes races?

more and more people will be mixes as time goes on, until there is some new race called "mutt".
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Old 04-19-2004, 07:51 PM   #48
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*points at the posts about so and so cultures no getting into so and so schools*

There have been things about that on the news regarding to universities in British Columbia, about chosing whites over asians (or was it the other way around..not the point though) for the spots in the schools. It's wrong, it's racist (in my opinion atleast) and it should stop.

*points at the title of the topic*

Yes it is possible to be prejudice against the whites, ever see a group of giant asians walking through a mall, then pointing at a white guy saying "dude...he's caucasian" ? I sure have.

Now, for the my prospect on the idea of the original post itself (*moans* i'm still feeling like a shit bag...i'll try to make this short). It's true, White Men have done numerous things that have caused us to live in this junk yard that we cal life. Many of the acts of white men were very well known (Holocaust, slavery...etc..). But look at the others...I don't mean to be racist of anything, but here's some examples. I'll do it by color

White did Slavery
Natives don't pay taxes and wait for the government to give 'em money (In canada atleast)
Yellow: the whole idea of "you kill someone, we kill you". Two wrongs don't make a right.
Black: Nothing I can think of at the moment, but i'm sure there is something...

Everyones done wrong things in the past, there's nothing we can do about it. What we CAN do, is prevent it from happening again. If we stopped looking at the past, racisme, prejudice, stereotypes..etc, wouldn't even exist. What's happened has happened. So what are you trying to prove? What are you trying to do about it? Nothing, because it's the past, nothing can be done.
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Old 04-19-2004, 08:35 PM   #49
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I think you have just gone a bit too far in one of your comments. Just because the Germans are white does not mean that all white people are responsible in any way for the actions of the Nazis. That's like saying that because of the actions of the Zulus and HooHoos that all Black people are genocidal monsters. You shouldn't even be suggesting basing your view of millions of people on the acts of a few because of their skin color. Even if you do say it as a minor side comment, do not attribute that kind of act to a whole race. Even doing a continent may be a bit too far, but here is a list I think is better in that respect:

North Americans [White] = Slavery
Europeans [White] = Slavery, Genocide or two (Nazis)
Russians [White] = Slavery, Communism
Australians [White] = Ancestors were all criminals
Native North Americans [Red] = Major source of casinos and gambling
Native South Americans [Red] = Sacrificed people
Asians [Yellow?] = Caused generational unrest, Communism
Indians [Arabic] = Slavery, Major racial wars
Middle Easterners [Arabic] = Major terrorist problems, Slavery
Egyptian [Arabic] = Slavery
Black African [Black] = Genocide or ten
Black American [Black] = Chained themselves in poverty

To me, this makes it seem more obvious that everyone has problems from the past and some right now, and I agree with you that most of these things are in the past and should be forgotten. There are many that have not forgotten these past problems and these jade their view, but even when we discuss it please do not attribute something like the Holocaust to a whole race.

One last note: even suggesting that slavery was only the white people is unfair. Almost everyone is guilty of it in some form. Oh yeah, and sorry about ranting a little bit; that holocaust side-statement deeply offended me.
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Old 04-20-2004, 12:26 AM   #50
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ok, now you gone and done it. its seems as though somone here doesnt understand communisim. i find it very funny that you include communisim as a bad thing in these lists here.

Communisim: Theory of political and economic development proposed by Karl Marx and developed and implemented by V. I. Lenin. In Marxist theory, "communism" denotes the final stage of human historical development in which the people rule both politically (compare: democracy) and economically (contrast: capitalism). Since the government, according to Marxist theory, is essentially an instrument of class oppression, and the society which emerges in this final stage is classless, as this final state is approached government will gradually wither away

does that sound like a bad thing to you?

their is only one problem with communisim-- people. peoples greed corrupts communisim till it fails compleatly.
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Communism doesn't exist in the world today. Not even close.
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thus my last statement.
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"their is only one problem with communisim-- people. peoples greed corrupts communisim till it fails compleatly."

That is the only down fall to Communism. Damn you primitive survival instincts.
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Marx himself said that Communism would never work unless it was completely worldwide. If you have seen "Enemy at the Gates" you know that people can never be equal. anyway There is always something to covet.

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"WTF is Bush doing in there with KKK and Neo-Nazis? What the heck did he do that was evil or racist? He did what he felt was best for America, fighting back in a war against us that had already been going on for many years. Also, stealing land from the Native Americans? It's called conquering. "

I can honestly say that I do not remember writing that (though I did). But I do believe I threw in Bush to break the tension, not to be taken seriously. Being president of the strongest nation in the world is not an easy job. No matter what you do, there is always someone like me to put you down (as though I am talking to the President himself). I am sorry if anyone was offended by that comment.

" 'Go drive in your SUV to Starbucks and get a hot cup of STFU' is obviously a stereotype"

Yes it is. But I can honestly say that A LOT OF PEOPLE DO DRIVE SUVs. At least where I live (Palm Springs). And those who do (mainly teenagers) ALSO have a ritual of going to starbucks in the morning and spending 5 dollars for some damn coffee. Now, I am not saying that I dont like Starbucks, their coffee is really good and a nice "treat" every once in a while, however, those who have the money to waste on coffee [say 5 bucks a day (just on coffee) times 5 days a week times 4 weeks in a month equals 100 dollars a month just on coffee]. Wasteful? In my opinion VERY.

"the 'ghetto dwellers' culture of black americans"

Stereotype. Not all people of African origin live in the ghetto. Not all blacks break dance and rap. By enforcing these "racial scholarships" we are saying "Hey, you're black, we are sorry for you. You must need help. Here, here is free money." It doesnt matter if they come from a wealthy family. It should not be based on race, but of social status.

"The reason for this is to allow determined individuals to escape from their cultures, which are holding them down"

CULTURES DO NOT HOLD PEOPLE DOWN. Stereotypes hold people down.
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ok, now you gone and done it. its seems as though somone here doesnt understand communisim. i find it very funny that you include communisim as a bad thing in these lists here.

Communisim: Theory of political and economic development proposed by Karl Marx and developed and implemented by V. I. Lenin. In Marxist theory, "communism" denotes the final stage of human historical development in which the people rule both politically (compare: democracy) and economically (contrast: capitalism). Since the government, according to Marxist theory, is essentially an instrument of class oppression, and the society which emerges in this final stage is classless, as this final state is approached government will gradually wither away

does that sound like a bad thing to you?

their is only one problem with communisim-- people. peoples greed corrupts communisim till it fails compleatly.
Yet, most people call china communist. Its just a difference in the way people use the word. True communism doesnt work, so we just call attempted communism, communism. Kiwi birds, Kiwi fruit, just kiwi. Same stuff. It's just a word-definition difference.
I could call you a gay lord, no offense, and based on your logic, i think you'd take it as me calling you the lord of happiness when i could infact have meant something else.

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this subject is wierd, and there are two sides but i tend to go against white people on this. Only becuase the one's who say they shouldn't have to pay for things in the past are usually the ones who are living with the profits made by the things that happened in the past. What alot of people don't understand is that racism still exist and is still hurting most black people in this country(US). Colon Powell had to drop out of the race for President because of the death threats on him, and his family. Also black people still get used in this country like puppets. Do you really think Bush would have hired Condileeza Rice or Colon Powell, if he knew he could get away with having an all white administration? And that happens everywhere Oprah was hired for the same reason (damn did they get lucky).
Sure the white has nothing to do with crazy islamics who listen to invisable voices in their head who tell them to kill people but they are the ones who created this ungenerous slef-rightgeous bullshit that caused them to hate the US so much.
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I think the main problem is the "we" and "they" complex that pervades every culture around the globe. Anyone who is included in your group is included in they "we" and everyone else is a "they." All "they's" are by default the same because it helps to reiforce our view that "we" are superior to all "they's." People want to feel superior to everyone else because it makes them feel good.

I guess you could say everone suffers from some massive worldwide cultural inferiority complex...
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crazy islamics who listen to invisable voices in their head who tell them to kill people but they are the ones who created this ungenerous slef-rightgeous bullshit that caused them to hate the US so much


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"Stereotype. Not all people of African origin live in the ghetto. Not all blacks break dance and rap."

I didn't mean all people of African origin, I meant those people of African origin who live in the ghetto and who are the dreak dancers and rappers (that specific cultural group).

"CULTURES DO NOT HOLD PEOPLE DOWN. Stereotypes hold people down."

You are correct there. It is when the people of the culture conform to the stereotype that others of the same culture are forced to go along and have trouble escaping. That can be seen pretty easily in the example I gave.

"ok, now you gone and done it. its seems as though somone here doesnt understand communisim. i find it very funny that you include communisim as a bad thing in these lists here."

I understand communism. The reason I put it on the list of bad things is because it is a garunteed failure in this world. We know it cannot work, and the collapse can be devastating, so I put it in the list of mistakes and bad things.

"Do you really think Bush would have hired Condileeza Rice or Colon Powell, if he knew he could get away with having an all white administration?"

Yes, I do. You are accusing him of being racist, which I do not think he is. He might have just picked those people because he trusted them and/or knew they were capable. They sure have been doing a good job so far, so I see no evidence to prove that Bush did it to look good.
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