Old 01-25-2004, 12:20 PM   #21
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White people did ruin a lot of shit but whose to say if there were more blacks back then that whites wouldnt have been slaves and all the shit we(the whites) fucked up woulda been done by the blacks

(on a lighter side) lol if we had been the minority maybe it would be cool if the whites talked ebonics and grabbed there enourmous penises every .00001 seconds
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The logical consequences of this are clear. Since we are required to believe that the only explanation for non-White failure is White racism, every time a non-White is poor, commits a crime, goes on welfare, or takes drugs, White society stands accused of yet another act of racism. All failure or misbehavior by non-Whites is standing proof that White society is riddled with hatred and bigotry. For precisely so long as non-Whites fail to succeed in life at exactly the same level as Whites, Whites will be, by definition, thwarting and oppressing them. This obligatory pattern of thinking leads to strange conclusions. First of all, racism is a sin that is thought to be committed almost exclusively by White people. Indeed, a black congressman from Chicago, Gus Savage, and Coleman Young, the black mayor of Detroit, have argued that only White people can be racist. Likewise, in 1987, the affirmative action officer of the State Insurance Fund of New York issued a company pamphlet in which she explained that all Whites are racist and that only Whites can be racist. How else could the plight of blacks be explained without flirting with the possibility of racial inequality?

Although some blacks and liberal Whites concede that non-Whites can, perhaps, be racist, they invariably add that non-Whites have been forced into it as self-defense because of centuries of White oppression. What appears to be non-White racism is so understandable and forgivable that it hardly deserves the name. Thus, whether or not an act is called racism depends on the race of the racist. What would surely be called racism when done by Whites is thought to be normal when done by anyone else. The reverse is also true.

Examples of this sort of double standard are so common, it is almost tedious to list them: When a White man kills a black man and uses the word "******" while doing so, there is an enormous media uproar and the nation beats its collective breast; when members of the black Yahweh cult carry out ritual murders of random Whites, the media are silent.

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"Black pride" is said to be a wonderful and worthy thing, but anything that could be construed as an expression of White pride is a form of hatred. It is perfectly natural for third-world immigrants to expect school instruction and driver's tests in their own languages, whereas for native Americans to ask them to learn English is racist.

Blatant anti-White prejudice, in the form of affirmative action, is now the law of the land. Anything remotely like affirmative action, if practiced in favor of Whites, would be attacked as despicable favoritism.
Pretty much, all of this, is being pointed to this topic. That's it's going too far. And they're using this to exploit "White Pride" and not to feel bad. So, how far is too far? Can you really be proud and not racist, or is it all some sham or what...
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i dont think any whiteman this day and age should have to pay the consequences for what other whitmen did way before they were born
Agreed.

Just as I think that black people trying to bank off of misdeeds against their ancestors are totally in the wrong.

We are who we are, not who our forefathers were, and not who their ancestors were. Besides, not all white people have anything to do with slavery, ever, even in their family line. (We've traced my own back far enough to have proven that at least my own family line has never owned slaves.) Just as I know not all black people had ancestors that were slaves. This "my people" bullcrap is stupid in ways words cannot even scratch at.

In this day and age, it doesn't even matter where your family originates from. America is the only country where a poor black boy can become a rich white girl (Michael Jackson).
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Old 01-25-2004, 04:47 PM   #24
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Yeah. Like, I hate it how people discriminate against Germans today because of what the Nazis did. Hell, I hate Nazis more than most of this forum, and I hold nothing against the Germans of today (unless, of course, they're racist). My Grandfather probably got in a bar fight with some dude 50 years ago. No call for that dude to come find me and punch me out.
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racism is a disease. if we are to have a society in which we are free from racism, it is absolutely necessary that every form of it is eradicated. if we are to live otherwise, we are only setting ourselves up for further racial hatred.
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Yeah. Like, I hate it how people discriminate against Germans today because of what the Nazis did. Hell, I hate Nazis more than most of this forum, and I hold nothing against the Germans of today (unless, of course, they're racist). My Grandfather probably got in a bar fight with some dude 50 years ago. No call for that dude to come find me and punch me out.
Yeah, very true. Luckily, that doesn't really happen that often. (If you look, Germany has one of the best economies in the world, so apparently, other countries are still trading with them.)

@ UltimateSoul: Yes, exactly! If racial preference is shown, than discrimination is also present. You can't have one without the other.
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Old 01-25-2004, 09:05 PM   #27
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I haven't looked through all the messages, so if I am repeating something that someone else said, I am sorry.

The "ancestral" white man was enslaved the "ancestral" black man. That is over and done with. I am not my ancestor and you (a black man) are not your ancestor.

(Will say more later)
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thats exactly what i said on the first page...i know you said you didnt read it all...but great minds think alike
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Think about a society without racism... think about it.... Who would be apart of this society? The only way for racism to not exist, is to have no races. In this society (the one were thinking about) the term "white" and "black" wouldn't exist; and I don't mean in terms of colors.
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Think about a society without racism... think about it.... Who would be apart of this society? The only way for racism to not exist, is to have no races. In this society (the one were thinking about) the term "white" and "black" wouldn't exist; and I don't mean in terms of colors.
Racism is only present in societies that are better off, like the United States.

Both my older brothers served missions for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Brazil. For those of you that don't know the details, they go and live in some foreign place for 2 years to preach gospel doctrine. Anyway, they said that racism doesn't even exist down there. Brown? Black? White? No one cares.
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Old 01-26-2004, 02:10 AM   #31
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Equal rights, not special rights.

If you want to get rid of racism, you must treat everyone equal, no matter what their skin color (because that is all "race" is). A person from the Domincan Repbulic, who is from a wealthy family that owns a sugar cane farm gets the same privileges as a person of African Heritage who's ancestors were slaves just because of their skin color. Which I think is wrong. I person shouldnt be judged by their skin color, but by their personality, determination, values, etc...thus, I feel affirmative action is wrong.

And white people have done many good things. But they have done many bad things. Just as every race has.
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Ok, here is a proven study done in LA. In an area, there were asian owned small businesses and black owned small businesses.

People were asked who were on the streets, and they were asked the following things:
1.Have you been inside the asian businesses?
2.Have you been inside the black businesses?
3.Do you know the families that run the asian businesses?
4.Do you know the families that run the black businesses?
5.How do you think those asians got those businesses?
6.How do you think those blacks got those businesses?

When suveyers stopped and asked whites, here is the average answers.
1.2. Sometimes.
3.4. Not really, I might know a few a little bit.
5.6 Probably had to work hard, but don't know.

When suveyers stopped and asked Asians, here is the average answers.
1. All the time.
2. Almost Never.
3. Knew almost all the families.
4. Knew almost none.
5. By pouring hard work and time.
6. Guessing by hard work also.

When suveyers stopped and asked blacks, here is the average answers.
1. Never.
2. All the time.
3. Knew none of the families.
4. Knew a few of the families.
5. Had special privilages from the government just cause they are asian.
6. Had to work super hard, despite the government trying to put the owners down.


Conclusion.
Whites didn't seem to care either way, and had gone to both just as if they were businesses.

Asians only went to asian owned businesses, and blacks only went to black owned businesses.
Asians knew their owner and familes very well and most could name big things about them.
Blacks knew ther owner and families fairly little, and only knew them basically by name.

Asians felt all the businesses were formed because of capitolistic methods.
Blacks felt all the businesses were formed because of or in spite of the government conspiracies.



So it seems that all these prejudices are seen only through the eyes of the blacks. They seem to feel that it is all the government making problems for them.
They say that it is the whites with all this racism, but when one of the blacks in their neighborhood starts making the big money because of a good education, they turn on him and say that he is "going white" on the rest of them. Without even thinking about it, the blacks are keeping themselves down, not the whites.


I think that is all I had to say.


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Oh Yeah. Rhetorical question.
All the violent music and violent people... are they asians or blacks?

(I left whites out because they are not part of this comparison. They are kinda in the middle with some good and some bad.)
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Some awesome generalisation happening here .

Just remember, bad things always have happened and do happen everywhere under any leadership. They always have and probably always will. There is no basis for blaming white males for "the state of the world [focused purely on the negatives]" The world is probably in the best situation it ever has been if you look at average quality of life and increasing quality of life, not that it has much to do with the race or gender of world leaders.

Yes I think there is increasing prejudice against white males, but as Homer Simpson once said "I'm a white male aged 18 to 45, everybody listens to me".
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i dont have much time here to make a big post. ill just say a quick few things. 1) the egyptians (blacks) enlsaved the white men (jews). 2) the white man (americans) enslaved the black man (american). except for a few small countries in southern africa, slavery is pretty much gone. the slavery thats down there is blacks enslaving blacks. so who the hell cares... i cant say that the whites got what they deserved cuz it was the jews who were enslaved and we (jews) have gone through enough racial problems (egyptians, hitler, fucking arabs who suicide bomb... and no i dont hate arabs i hate those who suicide bomb innocent people..) plus the KKK (dont only target jews) and neo nazis (target jews) so if you count all of that. the white man has really gone through a lot more than the black man... who only went through a few hundred years of slavery vs a few thousand which the white man was enslaved by the egyptians. so really its the black man who has enslaved more than the white man. There have also been other races enslaved but usually they involve enslaving eachother by social status... like a king would have slaves (extreme example) ill end my post here
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There is a huge prejudice on white men. Yeah, they did a lot of bad things in the past, but it was in the past. Now they have to watch every single move they make today or they'll be targeted with a hate crime. If a white man hits a black man, it's a hate crime, if a black man hits a white man, it's assault or whatever. Blacks can use the N word and whatnot in public, and schools, but if a white man says it the exact same way blacks did, it's a hate crime. I'm sorry but if blacks can call each other *****s and crap, then wouldn't it only be fair for whites to do it too? Two white boys who were raised in Africa were nailed with being racially offensive because they checked "African American" as their heritage.
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That was me, but it said I was guest for some reason?
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Think about this... with the current caucasian birth rate whites will be the minority by 2050
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I totally agree. I think affirmative action should really be based on circumstance, not purely on race. Affirmative action aside though, it really is hard to just let the past go and say ok we can start over because these things aren't going on anymore. Reality is though there is still alot of racism out there and there's alot of race bashing from all sides. Nonetheless things are getting better in the U.S. as far as race relations go, and we just happen to be part of the post civil-rights movement generations that's stuck between the intense racism of the past and hopeful equality in the future. Alot of it has persisted because we encourage it with stereotypes, racial jokes, movies, etc. That, and we have to stop being so damn afraid of eachother, acting like just because somebody is different than you. Just because he's black, mexican, white, chinese, japanese, korean, eskimo, w/e doesn't mean he can't appreciate and enjoy the same music, sports, movies, books, etc. that you do and vice versa, that goes for everybody.

Just to finish things off, I noticed somebody metioned that line of equality between men and women. It really is rediculous how sensitive these laws against sexual harassment are getting. Men, do you realize how much power women have just because they're women. Just the other day a girl in my class was like "Girl's can just say he raped me, that's power." Then she gave us an example of what she'd say and I have to admit, it sounded pretty damn convincing. Over here in California there was a story of a group of girls that came forward after accusing a man of rape, getting him convicted, and then after he served eight months in jail they come forward saying it was all made up. You know why they made it up? Because one of the girls broke curfew and she didnt want her mom to know she was with her boyfriend so she tears up her clothes and says a man tried to rape her. Holy shit. One more thing, guys have you noticed the declining men's role in the media? Just to site one example, in family sitcoms who's always the dumbass of the family? Is it the dad or the mom? I rest my case.
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Old 03-23-2004, 02:25 AM   #40
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"White people" didn't do anything. The issue of racism is simply a systematic attempt by the ruling class to ensure that people focus their attention on lesser matters instead of the bigger picture. People fear and hate things that are different from them. Psychology 101. Everybody is racist whether you'll admit it or not. Doesn't matter if you're a white boy and all your best friends are black, you're still racist somehow.

Do we divide and give people politcally correct sounding names based on their eye and hair colour? That's ridiculous you say? Think about it.

What about tall and short people. Are they not viewed differently? Prejudice is a natural, tribalistic impulse built into our genetic makeup *opinion*.

We learn to control our prejudice, and when we realize that most stereotypes based on skin colour are purely urban legends, we can began to see the real problems in this world.
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