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Old 07-19-2007, 01:17 PM   #21
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I dont care about what people do by themselves. But I do care what they do when pornography isn't enough and need to take there sexual experience to another level.
Given how incredibly widespread the viewing of pornography is compared to the relative rarity of sex related crimes, I'm not sure where your correlation comes from.
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Old 07-19-2007, 02:57 PM   #22
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I dont care about what people do by themselves. But I do care what they do when pornography isn't enough and need to take there sexual experience to another level.
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If anything pornography prevents sexual crimes.
If you take away pornography from the internet. Chances are they will make it themselves, assuming they already aren't.
People who can't find anyone who likes them enough to have sex with them usually will just go to pornography and do it themselves. But if you take that away from them they could just snap and eventually lead themselves to rape.

Just a thought.

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Old 07-19-2007, 03:07 PM   #23
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This would definitely cause more problems in identity theft than solve the problems of underage minors looking at pornography. Porn is so easy to find now. There's no way to prevent it.
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:27 PM   #24
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People should be given the option to look at pornography but personally I frown upon the idea. I have never watched any porn even though some time I really want to. I'm really stereotypically Christian when it comes to sex. Only have sex with one person and keep your mind pure. I started believing in keeping my mind pure when I found out my friend was literally addicted (still is) to porn. It effects his life but I don't think any less of him or anything as I know it it's in our instincts to have sex in our teenage years.

So really I think the way that law is now is great where you have the choice to watch porn but parents can block it from your children.
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:30 PM   #25
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So...you are denying yourself something that you sometimes really want to do. You are stating that it is -part of your nature- (The nature that was created by God) to want to do something...but it is "pure" to deny yourself something you were -created by God- to want?
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So...you are denying yourself something that you sometimes really want to do. You are stating that it is -part of your nature- (The nature that was created by God) to want to do something...but it is "pure" to deny yourself something you were -created by God- to want?
Not that I can speak for anyone, but my guess is that these "impure" desires were supposedly created as trials or tests of faith (in the eyes of some strict Christians).

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Old 07-19-2007, 05:38 PM   #27
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Yeah, they coudln't possibly be created to encourage the species to reproduce and thus not go extinct. That would be craziness. Also...I'm sorry but isn't that a little unfair? "I'm going to create you in -my- image, but I'm also going to make you desperately want to do some things that I will expressely forbid you from doing, just to see how much you really -want- salvation"

If this is the case, God sounds rather like a Jackass to me.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:49 PM   #28
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Yeah, they coudln't possibly be created to encourage the species to reproduce and thus not go extinct. That would be craziness. Also...I'm sorry but isn't that a little unfair? "I'm going to create you in -my- image, but I'm also going to make you desperately want to do some things that I will expressely forbid you from doing, just to see how much you really -want- salvation"

If this is the case, God sounds rather like a Jackass to me.
Hahaha, that's the type of god I see in the eyes of certain religious people. Why even bother to worship such a god if you can't even have any freedom? I mean even if we are some "children" of god or something, that doesn't make us obligated to be slaves to this god. Children aren't slaves to their parents (atleast they shouldn't be if they are) and make their own decisions eventually. We aren't meant to be some bird in a cage for ever being kept slave to any tyrant god.

Edit: Also, I agree that it's rare to find any connection with porn and any crimes such as rape or anything else. We need some sort of evidence that the same person who looked at porn is the exact same person who commited some crime such as rape. Even still, how would we know that porn is really what set this criminal off to do what ever? I mean this person might have already had the idea of commiting some crime before they even saw any image on the internet. If there is no connection between porn and a crime, then by banning porn, the only thing people are doing is just limiting free speech without cause.

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Old 07-20-2007, 02:33 PM   #29
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Whoa, guys, getting a bit off topic. That's a whole new issue.

One thing extremely crucial to this subject which nobody has brought up thus far is the effectiveness of search filters. As a child I had many experiences with filters of all kinds through school computers, and in my earliest days on the internet (ashamedly), the AOL blocks. I've found that it's extremely rare that they work properly.

And you know what? The idea that porn is a disease or should be kept from teenagers is in my mind ridiculous. I've grown up in a generation where I got my first eyeful of porn probably at age 6, started watching out of curiosity at age 9, become obsessed and addicted ages 13-15, and then dropped it because it's gotten very boring and the pure novelty of orgasm has worn off. Then I decided to facilitate communication and actually get a girlfriend, and to move on to more important things in my life. No damage done to my life. I didn't even lose my virginity until age 16, which is the legal age of consent. I am aware of a porn site that has tons of free porn, and if I want it, it's there. No obsession, no psychopathy gained. It's all a matter of how the particular person handles it. The pattern I've just mentioned is one an entire generation of teen males have gone through with the advent of internet porn. And do you see a mob of every single male aged 18 raping and murdering all in their path? I don't.
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Old 07-21-2007, 08:10 AM   #30
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Whoa, guys, getting a bit off topic. That's a whole new issue.

One thing extremely crucial to this subject which nobody has brought up thus far is the effectiveness of search filters. As a child I had many experiences with filters of all kinds through school computers, and in my earliest days on the internet (ashamedly), the AOL blocks. I've found that it's extremely rare that they work properly.

And you know what? The idea that porn is a disease or should be kept from teenagers is in my mind ridiculous. I've grown up in a generation where I got my first eyeful of porn probably at age 6, started watching out of curiosity at age 9, become obsessed and addicted ages 13-15, and then dropped it because it's gotten very boring and the pure novelty of orgasm has worn off. Then I decided to facilitate communication and actually get a girlfriend, and to move on to more important things in my life. No damage done to my life. I didn't even lose my virginity until age 16, which is the legal age of consent. I am aware of a porn site that has tons of free porn, and if I want it, it's there. No obsession, no psychopathy gained. It's all a matter of how the particular person handles it. The pattern I've just mentioned is one an entire generation of teen males have gone through with the advent of internet porn. And do you see a mob of every single male aged 18 raping and murdering all in their path? I don't.
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But I agree with everything you've said in that statement.

It starts as a curiousity, becomes a minor obsession, then wanes off after a few years.

Now, in response to the claim that "removing porn would lead to more rapes" and the other side "porn leads to rape", both of those statements are so incredibly false and stupid that it shames me to have read them.

You cannot say that ~ONE~ stimuli or lack thereof leads to any action of the magnitude of sexual assault/rape.

Honestly, that's like saying:

Stubbing my toe on my roommate's Xbox caused me to punch him.

Let's not mention that in this imaginary case, my roommate has been pulling pranks on me for a week, including shaving one eyebrow, dyeing me blue, and teabagging my face.

I PUNCHED HIM ~PURELY~ BECAUSE OF MY TOE!

Seriously, people need to stop looking for a ~single~ cause for everything, Life is just a wee bit more complex than that.
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Old 07-21-2007, 09:12 AM   #31
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Nobody necessarily said it was the sole and single cause. You're straw manning them pretty bad.

If stimulus A helps in -any- way to prevent action B, you can claim that a removal of stimulus A will likely lead to an increase in action B.

Nobody said it was the only cause, nobody said that the amountof rape would increase a thousand fold, they said "if you get rid of it, people who are relieving that tension through it, will go elsewhere, and some of them are apt to go to bad places with it."
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The problem I see, devonin, is that different people respond to different stimuli. I've seen a Law & Order SVU episode that made me think about something: Some people are more prone to responding to certain stimuli than others. If a child porn fantasy site is being viewed by a repeat child molester, then the stimuli received from that site may cause the sexual offender, whether he's trying to deny the urges or not, to respond by trying to fulfill the fantasy. However, somebody else might not respond in such a manner. It's impossible to remove every single offending stimulus from the world. You'd end up with a world like Equilibrium or some other science fiction idea. Hell, the fact that you and I or another person might have different levels of intelligence (referring to Harrison Bergeron here) might have some sort of stimulus on those with more or less of it. I realize that this is taking things a bit out of proportion, but the truth remains the same in this case.
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Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]:
"If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee,
because the venom gets into the blood stream which
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changing your genetic structure into a bee's.

Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way."


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"Do you basically bukkake-paint your walls every time you jack it?"

Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz[link]:
"My pity-sex depreciates at a rate of 5% annually."
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Old 07-21-2007, 02:34 PM   #33
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Except that "Lessen" != "Eliminate" and "Contribute" != "Cause" nor has anybody really said so either.
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If this is the case, God sounds rather like a Jackass to me.
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The book of Job is a pretty good case example of "God is a Jerk" I mean...taking a wager with Satan saying basically "This guy's such a solid worshipper that I can completely **** him over, and he'll stay loyal" doesn't sound very benevolent and loving to me.
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porn needs to go. period.
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lol @ you bumping this... Yeah because porn is worse than randomly trashing people for being even slightly sexual or comfortable with themselves... rofl. Grow up. You're so ****ing ignorant. Okay you hate it, we get it.

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People should just wait until they're 18 to watch it.

Nuf said.
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lol @ you bumping this... Yeah because porn is worse than randomly trashing people for being even slightly sexual or comfortable with themselves... rofl. Grow up. You're so ****ing ignorant. Okay you hate it, we get it.

You're just little teen with so much hate for the world. And a ****ing bigot.



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However, CT doesn't love it when people come in here just to flame people.
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People should just wait until they're 18 to watch it.

Nuf said.
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