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Old 04-8-2007, 02:05 AM   #21
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Though I mean, you have to see where saying "I absolutely believe there is no such thing as "paranormal" things, but as long as they are somehow based on Christian mythology, I absolutely believe in supernatural things" is apt to cause some confusion.
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Old 04-8-2007, 02:18 AM   #22
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Though I mean, you have to see where saying "I absolutely believe there is no such thing as "paranormal" things, but as long as they are somehow based on Christian mythology, I absolutely believe in supernatural things" is apt to cause some confusion.
It's difficult. I know exactly what I mean but I can't translate that to text. Hmm.

Alright, for now, how 'bout this: I don't believe in ghosts.

Maybe I'll follow this up tommorrow (today?).
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Old 04-8-2007, 02:21 AM   #23
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Well...correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that what you're trying to get at is "I don't believe that the souls of living humans could possibly stay on earth after death, they must go either to heaven or hell" Which works fine for ghosts, but "paranormal" doesn't -just- mean ghosts and spirits, it means (insofar as I understood the OPs version of it) to mean anything which defies logical scientific explanation, which many of your existing beliefs about supernatural things would fall under....

Can we generally sum up your opinion on the matter as "I believe in supernatural phenomena, but whatever it is, the earthbound soul of a dead human isn't it" ?
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Well...correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that what you're trying to get at is "I don't believe that the souls of living humans could possibly stay on earth after death, they must go either to heaven or hell" Which works fine for ghosts, but "paranormal" doesn't -just- mean ghosts and spirits, it means (insofar as I understood the OPs version of it) to mean anything which defies logical scientific explanation, which many of your existing beliefs about supernatural things would fall under....

Can we generally sum up your opinion on the matter as "I believe in supernatural phenomena, but whatever it is, the earthbound soul of a dead human isn't it" ?
Hey, yeah, you did it.
Maybe I should stay away from this board at 1:30.
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Old 04-8-2007, 02:33 AM   #25
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Hey, yeah, you did it.
Maybe I should stay away from this board at 1:30.
Pfft, it's 2:30am here, I do my best thinking when I'm overtired.

The interesting thing to me is that I share that belief of yours but not the same basis for it.

I have no problem believing in "ghosts" in the sense of beings that are like what we describe ghosts as (incorporeal, usually invisible etc etc) but I share your belief that whatever they are, the souls of dead humans ain't it, but not because I think they are in heaven or hell, just that I personally believe that death is death, and that's it.

My own theory on "ghosts" has more to do with the many-worlds theory of quantum mechanics, but that's its own topic, and not something for a general "thoughts on the paranormal" thread.
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Old 04-8-2007, 10:22 PM   #26
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Any pictures of ghosts or whatever is garbage. With modern day technology, we can make anything look real.

Any people who actually see ghosts are either lying or are just thinking it in their mind. And once they've "seen" a ghost chances are they will see them again because they believe ghosts are there. If you think a ghost is in front of you, chances are that you'll see it. Your mind plays tricks on you.
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Old 04-8-2007, 10:38 PM   #27
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Any pictures of ghosts or whatever is garbage. With modern day technology, we can make anything look real.
Does that mean you would doubt the veracity of every piece of information you are ever presented in a way that has the potentiality to be faked (read: Every piece of information ever) Or just information about things you've already decided don't exist?
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I don't believe in UFO's because close to all 'sightings' were actually new planes that the government hasnt released to the public as of yet
-and we of course cant forget about the ever so common, those people were all in it together to start up trouble! theory lol

extraterrestrials...there is a SLIGHT possibility, because if you think about the probability of having the perfect planet, in the perfect orbit, in perfect evolutionary process to create the independant thought, that the thought process is greater than ours to send 'stuff' from across many galaxies before we do are pretty much none

for just general talk, there are many things we do not know, even if we do know a lot. the seasons changing could be used as an example. back then, people would think the seasons change due to some greater force changing it, but after a while, we discovered all it is, is that the earth orbits.
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Old 04-9-2007, 01:27 AM   #29
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oh it's REAL! it's just something yah gotta believe in. I'm so intrigued by it. there is so much I don't know at all about it because I haven't truely experienced paranormal activity before though. I just have an unbreakable feeling about that there's no joke in it. It's true stuff.
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Old 04-9-2007, 01:48 AM   #30
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I don't believe in UFO's because close to all 'sightings' were actually new planes that the government hasnt released to the public as of yet
-and we of course cant forget about the ever so common, those people were all in it together to start up trouble! theory lol

extraterrestrials...there is a SLIGHT possibility, because if you think about the probability of having the perfect planet, in the perfect orbit, in perfect evolutionary process to create the independant thought, that the thought process is greater than ours to send 'stuff' from across many galaxies before we do are pretty much none

for just general talk, there are many things we do not know, even if we do know a lot. the seasons changing could be used as an example. back then, people would think the seasons change due to some greater force changing it, but after a while, we discovered all it is, is that the earth orbits.
Off topic but UFOs don't always mean aliens. I do not believe there have been any life from space that has traveled in our solar system because of the fact a lot of telescopes could have easily seen them (Infrared, x-ray, etc. Something would have picked them up). But I do believe there is other life on other planets outside our solar system. There's billions of stars that are similar to ours which can have the potential to create life. It's just a matter of having the organic elements and right conditions.

Back to topic: I really hate when people say "I can't explain it, but I know *blank* exists". I don't understand the point of posting that.
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Old 04-9-2007, 01:53 AM   #31
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Not to offend (merely out of curiousity), but what exactly IS your religion?
Its an off-branch of mormon of that makes sense. I prefer to keep it discreet.
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Off topic but UFOs don't always mean aliens. I do not believe there have been any life from space that has traveled in our solar system because of the fact a lot of telescopes could have easily seen them (Infrared, x-ray, etc. Something would have picked them up). But I do believe there is other life on other planets outside our solar system. There's billions of stars that are similar to ours which can have the potential to create life. It's just a matter of having the organic elements and right conditions.

Back to topic: I really hate when people say "I can't explain it, but I know *blank* exists". I don't understand the point of posting that.
yeah, im sorry for that, i blanked and took a jab at what the topic was lol

but yeah, back on topic sorta, since this is a critical thinking forum, all our arguments *should* be backed up by at least some factual basis

i put in the 'general' argument so its on topic too
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Old 04-9-2007, 01:56 AM   #33
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I'm fairly certain it's not real. They're usually psychological illusions, as there is a huge lack of evidence to support it. Other times it is likely pure chance that it turned out that way, and if you are suggestable to the idea of paranormal activity, you interpret something completely normal as paranormal.

theres a huge lack of evidence of light being a partical or a wave but i still believe in light o.O
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theres a huge lack of evidence of light being a partical or a wave but i still believe in light o.O
Actually, you're totally wrong.

There's a TON of evidence for light being BOTH a particle AND a wave.

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yep that's the main thing. Evidence. I don't need a lot of evidence though lol. All I need is a ghost story that sounds reasonable and I would believe almost 100% of it, unless if it was a little altered and I knew that it was lol.
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Its an off-branch of mormon of that makes sense. I prefer to keep it discreet.
Ah, I thought you were Mormon for awhile, your religion has a lot of Mormon type beliefs.
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Old 04-9-2007, 11:38 PM   #37
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Its an off-branch of mormon of that makes sense. I prefer to keep it discreet.
I can see that, very easily in fact. Normally i would ask why it would be a problem revealing your religion. However i found that many people here prejudge me as it is and with them knowing that i am mormon they automatically discount things i say in the Creationist/Evolutionist/homosexuality debates. This i fear is because of the preconceived notion that all religiously believing people are close-minded. Ok wow, time to get off of this huge tangent i went on.

Usually Paranormal Activity comes from a small amount of information thats new mixed with at least the smallest belief in it, if it isnt entirely based on new information that is.
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Paranormal Activity is probably real, but it's simple to hoax. Movies and television shows are definitaly overstating the so called truth for our entertainment. Of course there are thousands of pictures and footage of paranormal activity, and there is pages of 'evidence' pertaining to hauntings and ghosts of some sort, but their not 100% sure..yet.
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Indeed, the media is always making ghost shows. They're usually pretty good, but somehow a lot of what they talk about in them doesn't seem right. For one, because noone really knows what HAPPENS after you die or whatever.
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[quote=slipstrike0159;1442765]However i found that many people here prejudge me as it is and with them knowing that i am mormon they automatically discount things i say in the Creationist/Evolutionist/homosexuality debates.QUOTE]

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