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One question, it might seem dumb to ask but what is the general theory about how this dense sphere who's origin is unknown spontaneously combusted which became a catalyst for the smallest of atoms and elements to form within this area we know as the universe that eventually lead up to the creation of complex life forms that have the ability to think and speak. What was it that caused it to explode, thats all i want to know.
A few quick thoughts here though. It was very disturbing and unconvincing to hear these people say that anyone that doesnt agree is an idiot. It shows signs of one-sided banter. However, it disturbs me almost equally as much to see some of you sit there and call them hypocrites and then turn around to say they are completely wrong and anyone who doesnt agree with them is an idiot. It has almost literally been said on one side of the arguement "we are unbiased but you are an idiot if you dont agree" and then the other side goes and says "you are hypocrites for saying you are unbiased but you are completely wrong". Who is anyone to call anyone else a hypocrite or an idiot for not completely and utterly agreeing? "God ****ed up and created more life more intelligent than he." Oh my... i seriously dont think i have EVER heard anything more blatantly blasphemous in my entire life. My goodness... It is known that we do not know everything about everything and as thus science is subject to change as it has done so many times due to new information. As such, you cannot say that from what we know now it is irrefutable that the laws of physics and all other such laws are completely true. This could easily show that both sides of the arguement dont know NEARLY enough information to prove their case. "Fact is.." that science as we currently know it will change to fit newly discovered information which is why they are labeled theories in the first place. Time for the hardcore religious people. No matter how hard you try you will not be able to convince everyone that because of the bible God exists and is undeniably all-knowing and all-encompasing cause its not gonna happen. Blind faith will get you no more than a stamp on your forehead labeled "close-minded". Imposing your BELIEFS on others and posing them as FACT is not going to get you anywhere. PROVING something through FAITH simply just does not work out. You have to understand that no matter how much you try to prove a concept to a mass of people there is always going to be at VERY least 1 person thick-headed and stubborn enough to not believe you. The more you try to sit there and prove it to them only proves that you are just as thick-head and stubborn as they are. So i suggest that until one of the sides gains complete, undeniable, absolutely correct information to prove their side to even the most stubborn person on the planet then we should all keep our thoughts on the matter to ourselves because no one is going to change their mind and all it brings is arguement and not intelligent conversation. |
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Oh, that must make it true...you know...coming from a guy whose entire life's work has been based on the theory of Evolution. For him to say otherwise would be like a priest saying "God might not exist."
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Well, what about my professors, jewpin? The guys who are so dedicated to the proper following of the scientific method that they teach courses on it? The guys whose reputations and jobs are staked on such claims and whose professional responsibilities hinge on being unbiased in such matters?
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And no, he's not focusing on the study of evolution. He finds trilobite fossils when he takes walks along the bay. Edit: His official webpage says he's a research scientist. I can't sum it up better than his biography can. http://hazen.gl.ciw.edu/?q=node/96 Last edited by Squeek; 04-5-2007 at 03:26 AM.. |
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I will say that you'd have to be an idiot to disregard the Theory of Evolution, uniformitarianism, etc. given the evidence to support it, but I still won't say it's a fact because I believe it is important to have an open mind, to be skeptical of everything and to not accept anything to be "true" in the field of science as tomorrow evidence could be unsurfaced that seems to disprove Evolution (not like it will happen, but it could, reality shattering sh*t like that happens all the time in science). |
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That and, all of my bio profs agree that evolution is a fact of life. Every single one of them. Would they tell you, for example, that the theory itself is a fact? No, because it's a theory. I agree with you on that. I think we are probably disagreeing over what a 'fact' is more than anything. I think, to claim that evolution cannot be shown to be a fact is silly. It doesn't achieve anything. I realize science is tentative, but I use the word fact when something can be backed up by irrefutable evidence. The 'process' of evolution is not a prediction, like the theory of evolution might be. Just like I can know that yesterday I ate cheese, I can know that evolution is at work because I can observe it happening. This, to me, is sufficient to say that something is a fact. The whole issue is purely semantics at this point, so it's almost pointless to go ahead and argue it, but I will. As defined by the dictionary, a fact is: something known to exist or to have happened: 'Space travel is now a fact'. If you would like to use a different definition of a fact, then so be it. However, my use of 'fact' when talking about evolution is appropriate. edit: I just read this XD Quote:
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Wow, watching this stupidity has made me realize something. I've been selling myself ridiculously short. I'm going to have to go back to school after I finish my present degree program and get training in science.
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Evolution is wrong, in my opinion.
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lmao two people went boom, and popped out four kids then they ganged up and made whoopie and vwalla. humanity xD
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Sure. I'd love to.
I believe in creation, not evolution. For either to be a theory, they must be repeatable events, observable events. Creation as taught in the Bible was only observed by God and His angels. Evolution, by definition, happened when no one was around, and then continued so slowly that no one would be able to recognize that evolution occurred, therefore it is also a non-observable event. I believe in God 100% and don't questions anything about him. He has gotten me where I am today and I'm very greatful for that and everything else He's done for me. I go by what the Bible says about creation and life. I really hope that none of this offends anyone. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. I'm simply stating my opinion. =] |
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Itbby, having a belief is fine, but as long as it isn't based on empirical evidence (the events of creation have only been observed by beings that cannot be proven to exist), it cannot be anything more than a belief. That's why there really isn't a debate here. Having a belief and using the tools we have as humans to understand the world around us are entirely different realms of thought.
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Evolution, by definition, is always happening! Therefore, evolution is actually something we can observe. You are a very trusting person. Do know that evolution does not throw out the idea of a God. It does throw out creation and design, but not God.
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And by definition, it is not created by science. It is a description of events that have been observed.
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