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I dont understand your point. Are you trying to argue that you shouldnt save the larger number of people? Honestly even the single person would agree to be killed if it saved more.
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I don't know whether I'd agree to die to save more.
It would depend how I felt at the time. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
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If I was capable of getting permission before taking the action then I guess that would be fine, but under this scenario I am not. I can't reasonably be expected to make a decision that actively leads to a persons unwilling death, even when it prevents the death of others.
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But the point of the question is to choose either one. You dont have the decision not to do either. Your point is completley pointless. Even if you could decide to let the 5 people die. Why would you. When you can save more. This really isnt even something to question when the answer is so blatantly obvious.
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For example: There are two teams, A and B, coexisting in peace. -Team A kills 2 people from Team B. Out of those 2 people, both of them hated Team A and would willingly kill every member of Team A under all circumstances. -Team B then takes the offensive and kills 150 people from Team A. Out of those 150 people, only a handful would even consider cruelly murdering anyone from Team A. Most were peaceful. Which team is the most justified? For a person thinking logically, they might choose Team A. However, multiply all the numbers by 1,000, label Team A as Japan, and label Team B as the United States, set the time period and situation as World War II, and you might get all the bias of American pride in this country. The bias is to take care of ourselves first even if it means horrible treatment of others. We seem to dismiss this as meaningless and insignificant, which is really ignorant. I hate how many idiots think this way in my classes and such. |
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Although the Japanese were certainly not faultless when it comes to the type of violence you're describing, they killed countless chinese civilians, as well as civilians in as far as I can tell every pacific island where they occupied. They also killed prisoners of war which was very much unneccesary. Last edited by Kilroy_x; 03-28-2007 at 12:32 AM.. Reason: Just noticed something awesome |
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I don't know how relevant others might perceive this as, but I think it was interesting.
I once had a dream where a little girl was about to get shot, but I jumped in front of her and took the bullet to save her. I didn't know this little girl at all but I saved her. I knew I was dying, and they were sending the paramedics to me, and the girl's mother was thanking me, but I was just laying there happy, in a daze, so content that I had done something good with my life. I hoped that the girl would realize that I sacrificed myself for her, and hoped she would move on to do big and amazing things. I woke up before I died. I think I was in the ambulance.
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I think saving the 5 people is more of an unbiased thing to do. If you dont know anything about these people then it would still make more sense to save the larger group. But what your saying is your to lazy to save them so you are just going to let them die out of your own personal beleifs.
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The five people already there weren't put there because of me, but if i pull the lever, I myself am putting that one guy into that situation, therefore being the casue of his death. With the five people I am not the cause. I would have guilt hanging over me for a long time. Guilt more powerful than the thanks I get from those five people. Last edited by Hepcat06; 03-28-2007 at 10:40 AM.. |
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i'd tell the single guy to go to hell and pull the lever ![]()
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This is a really good question. I would have to say that I would pull the lever, just because i would want to save more people.
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duh tell the people to move all lives saved
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I think not pressing the switch makes you personally responsible for murdering 5 people as well. So the real question is. Would you rather murder 1 person or murder 5 people. There is no way to argue over this so dont even try.
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I agree, there's no arguing with you at all. No reasoning either. I'm glad you took the time to phrase the question in exactly the way I already showed as senseless and then yelling that phrasing as loudly as possible.
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Its not a senseless way to look at it. I think you are confused on how logic works.
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Logic? As in A implies B iff C, ~C therefore ~B by negation and modus tollens? Seriously, waste someone elses time.
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Actually, I think it is good for one to care about his neighbor's safety above his own. Not to the extent where it would be easy to save yourself and then help, though.
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I really don't believe your murdering 5 people. You're just choosing not to save them. If Superman knew someone was in trouble and decided not to save them, even though he could, he wouldn't be the murderer. Same with the trains. I wasn't the one who put those people on the tracks. But if i chose to save them, then I'm the one who puts that one person on the tracks. There for I am the muderer!
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