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I'm not 100% sure of the meaning of this word (English is not my first language, blah blah).
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IXD, two problems.
1) Condoms are not foolproof and do not stop all diseases. And using 2 doesn't help any, it actually makes it more likely to break.
2) You can't always tell if you have an STD. You need to get tested regularly if you are sexually active. I refuse to go near the genitals of anyone who has a sexual history and has not been tested, no matter if they are showing symptoms or not. HIV is a major one that you do NOT want to catch (no no no, you really don't) and people often can't tell if they have HIV.

Oh and one more.... it's not "every person your partner has had sex with in the past 10 years", it's everyone they've had sex with in their entire LIVES.


i think your more qualified to teach this class then most of my teachers.
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Male sluts.
Yeah. That's what I thought.

To be entirely honest, no. I don't care about what other guys do in their free time. I do understand that sex takes two persons and that both the guy and the girl are as responsible for the act as the other.

Maybe it's just because I'm not getting any, but it honestly breaks my heart everytime I hear stories about girls having random sex (e.g. some girl gave a blowjob to a guy at a party or got fingered). It's not as bad if they're actually in a relationship though.
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Yeah. That's what I thought.

To be entirely honest, no. I don't care about what other guys do in their free time. I do understand that sex takes two persons and that both the guy and the girl are as responsible for the act as the other.

Maybe it's just because I'm not getting any, but it honestly breaks my heart everytime I hear stories about girls having random sex (e.g. some girl gave a blowjob to a guy at a party or got fingered). It's not as bad if they're actually in a relationship though.
I don't understand. So why is it ok for guys but not girls? There has to be a reason. Personally I loathe the double standard. Guys can be "players" but girls are "sluts".

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Well, I probably have more formal learning in human sexuality than any of your teachers. The only sex education your teachers probably have, is that of being an adult. At least, that's how ours were. They even told us some things that were wrong. :\ And they were extremely conservative and couldn't answer a lot of questions out of the embarassment.
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I don't understand. So why is it ok for guys but not girls? There has to be a reason. Personally I loathe the double standard. Guys can be "players" but girls are "sluts".
That's what I'm trying to figure out. I'm pretty much as clueless as you on this one. It's just how it makes me feel, but there aren't really any thoughts going through my mind. Maybe it's just jaleousy.
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yea my current teacher thats teaching it this year couldnt give 2 sh!ts lol, which he probably shouldnt be teaching it then. you should really come to my school and teach it rofl you sure as hell know ALOT ore then any of my teachers, or atleast care more about the subject
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Hm.....

I've been thinking. I'd probably like that job. Sex ed teacher. Too bad they never have sex ed teachers, they just use their phys ed teacher for all things health.

I should be a school counsellor. Mmmm.

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yea my current teacher thats teaching it this year couldnt give 2 sh!ts lol, which he probably shouldnt be teaching it then. you should really come to my school and teach it rofl you sure as hell know ALOT ore then any of my teachers, or atleast care more about the subject
Yeah. I'd like that. I should try to get started in that somehow.

And I'd like to investigate this career track at the moment, but right now I must sleep so that I can handle my day tomorrow. I need to get into Honours Psychology, or my career plans go out the window, so right now grades are my priority.

PS If you have any questions, I can probably answer them better than your teacher, so skip it and just PM me. I'm often busy but you shouldn't have to wait more than 2 days for a reply.
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everybody should have a teacher like in mean girls
if you have sex you will get pregnant and die!
ok no...but yea
i never had sex ed...i mean we went over that in health class but that's all
i don't think sex ed promotes sex in general
and i think it can do more good than bad if handled properly
but in that class there's always those things you'll remember
like the stupid but hilarious comment from the smartass guy
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I don't understand. So why is it ok for guys but not girls? There has to be a reason. Personally I loathe the double standard. Guys can be "players" but girls are "sluts".
As a guy, I can totally understand the double-standard. Ask me to explain it, though, and I'm incapable. I'll say what I can, though.

First, as a guy, we want sex and only sex. Ever wonder what a guy is thinking? Chances are it's about sex. As such, we're considered (by whom, I don't know. Perhaps men, perhaps women.) to be more slaves to our genitals.

Women, on the other hand, are the more rational beings. Men are beasts; they want nothing more than a warm, moist cavity for their pen0r. Since women are typically the desired receptacle, they have governance over what goes in and what doesn't.

So, men who aren't thinking with their big brains are just doing what every man wants to: get some poon. Women, on the other hand, as the sought and not the seeker, allow guys inside and are making active, rational choices to have sex with these people. It's almost like inviting the guys in.

A woman kind of lowers herself every time she has sex with another guy because doing so is an exhibition of a lack of either restraint or self-respect or something like that (and, as we know, sluts are not well-regarded for their restraint/self-respect/what have you), whereas a guy who is willing to have sex with whomever he can is just a normal guy.

I think that last paragraph was the best summary I made of all of those. I was pretty much just typing out some thoughts. As such, these points aren't exactly up for debate. I know they don't apply for everyone, I know they're bad/stupid reasons, are sweeping generalizations, and don't take into account numerous things like women's desires, but I would think that that's some of the foudational thinking behind the double standard. That's just my guess.

Maybe there's also something with the societal views of men as the domineering ones and women as the submissive ones. A man going out and doing a bunch of local girls is sort of exerting his dominance over the smaller, weaker creatures. As such, the woman who actively seeks out sex (the slut) is putting herself in an out-of-gender role due to weakness or lascivity, neither of which are desirable traits.

Just talking out loud, here.

For me, though, I find it just as disgusting to hear guys talk about having sex with many different people as it is to hear girls doing the same thing. The double standard comes in, however, in my reaction. I have more pity for the girl, while I just don't respect the guy.

I dunno.

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that's why i liked one of the bosses i had, she'd call this one guy a slut...and no one had a problem with saying that...cuz it's true. even tho the term is usually used for girls
^and i really liked what you wrote guido, most intelligent thing i've heard all day
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As a guy, I can totally understand the double-standard. Ask me to explain it, though, and I'm incapable. I'll say what I can, though.

First, as a guy, we want sex and only sex. Ever wonder what a guy is thinking? Chances are it's about sex. As such, we're considered (by whom, I don't know. Perhaps men, perhaps women.) to be more slaves to our genitals.
Certainly not by the academic community.

It is demeaning and demoralizing (and a convenient excuse) to men to say that they are "slaves to their genitals". For thousands of years, women were the gatekeepers and men were the seekers. However, there's just no evidence to back this up, particularly in our modern society with birth control.

You may think evolutionarily it makes sense: women would be more reluctant to have sex, and men would be more willing. I've even heard it explained like this: men can keep producing their seed, so it's cheap. It's a quick and easy commodity and isn't prized. However, a woman's egg only comes once a month, and she has only a limited number of them. That makes them prized. As such, women have to be choosy about who they have sex with, and men have to have sex with as many women as possible.

But this is only assuming impregnation is intended or possible!

Women may be more picky in their marital partners. They may desire to have children with only the best of men. But that doesn't mean that their sexual urges are non-existent, or weaker than a man's. In fact they are not.

Society makes it very cruel, and yet easy at the same time, for men. If they do something sexually inappropriate, it is excusable, because their sexual drive is thought to be so strong that they can hardly control it. But this is just not the case. Come on, think reasonably. You can easily control yourself sexually. You don't run around having sex with or humping everything you see, do you? And rapists don't either. It doesn't appear to be a high sexual drive, driving men to commit these acts.

So men have this reputation that they don't deserve - they can't control their sex drive. This makes subjects like male reluctance (when men don't really want to have sex but they are being pressured by their partner) very taboo- and most men who it has occurred to don't talk about it. You never hear about it, nobody talks about it, and people act like it doesn't exist, yet it's relatively common. I forget the actual statistic, but it was something around 65% of sexually active males and 35% of sexually active females have perceived this "male reluctance". Women are bad at recognizing it because they, too, fall victim to the "uncontrollable male" myth. But the reality is, men aren't always up and ready for it. Sometimes they have other things to think about, and sometimes they just aren't in the mood. It makes sense, doesn't it? Men get a lot of work done. They don't just sit around thinking with their penises all the time.

Women are also victims of this myth. Women fall victim to the "controllable sex drive" myth. Not that I am trying to say their sex drives ARE uncontrollable - they are not. But if they are any more controllable than men's, it's by a small margin. Women feel intense sexual feelings and strong urges to have sex. However, because we're considered the "gatekeepers" by society, we're socially expected to reserve ourselves for just one guy, while men are free to romp around. After all, you can't expect more of them - they're only guys. Their penis leads the way.

If you recall to anatomy, the clitoris develops from the same tissue as the penis. The clitoris is a concentrated bundle of nerve endings. It performs the same (sexual pleasure) function as the penis, only in a smaller package.

As well, the female brain forms from the same brain matter that would make a male brain. There is no difference early on in development. Once the developing fetus "responds" to the chromosomes, if nothing goes wrong, those with a Y will develop testes and the sensitive tissue will become a penis with the urethra routed through it. If there is no Y, the fetus has no change, and will continue along its original track - mass of tissue becomes clitoris, ovaries develop, etc.

But there is no "If there's a Y, hit the brain with an enlarged sex drive to the amygdala". That kind of thing has never been found.

You know what HAS been found, though? Higher levels of testosterone are not linked to increased sex drive, but physical aggression. Men, when injected with testosterone, become aroused (not necessarily sexually aroused - the process of the brain and body becoming ready to react) more easily. I don't know if they did it on women, but it might not be all that healthy, since we're not really designed to handle an influx of testosterone.

So there you go. Men do not have an insatiable sex drive, and women do not have a nonexistant one. Men, having more testosterone, are more aggressive than women, and that may drive them to do many of the things they do.
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I can't think of many women I know though that go out and seek to have sex to fulfill their sexual urges. I think that's the distinction... girls seem to be yielding something to gain respect whereas boys are conquering something to gain respect. And I don't think that's just my male perspective. If the girls were going out and trying to conquer the boys instead of trying to be conquered, then it would be a different story. (And I suppose some do).
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Chrissi, that was EXACTLY the kind of post that I DIDN'T want to see in response. I even said:
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these points aren't exactly up for debate. I know they don't apply for everyone, I know they're bad/stupid reasons, are sweeping generalizations, and don't take into account numerous things like women's desires, but I would think that that's some of the foudational thinking behind the double standard. That's just my guess.
Even though I wasn't presenting my sort-of stream-of-consciousness writing as any sort of argument, it's not something you could argue anyway, unless you could somehow read what every man and woman is subconsciously thinking.

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Oh, sorry. I thought this was Critical Thinking.
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HaHa..At least you guys are learning about sex at 7th grade

I was Homeschooled my entire life. My perents were late with this stuff.

Also I disagree wih Guido. all sluts anger me. All Im going to say
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I find this all pretty interesting... even though this wasn't what the thread was intended for you can keep discussing. What I don't get is why the teachers have to teach sex ed. every year, yet they won't necessarily answer every question. My teacher says it's because of parents not wanting there children to know about those sort of things, but my teacher answered a question I found rather "slangish" and not scientific. One kid asked what bases were (first, second, third, HOME RUN!) and the teacher actually answered the question. Man, I miss those little note cards =/.
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Billydude, I think your school is one of few that teach it every year. Sex is not formal, to say the least. Just because it is in school, doesn't mean it can't be a 'real' discussion.
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As a guy, I can totally understand the double-standard. Ask me to explain it, though, and I'm incapable. I'll say what I can, though.

First, as a guy, we want sex and only sex. Ever wonder what a guy is thinking? Chances are it's about sex. As such, we're considered (by whom, I don't know. Perhaps men, perhaps women.) to be more slaves to our genitals.

Women, on the other hand, are the more rational beings. Men are beasts; they want nothing more than a warm, moist cavity for their pen0r. Since women are typically the desired receptacle, they have governance over what goes in and what doesn't.

So, men who aren't thinking with their big brains are just doing what every man wants to: get some poon. Women, on the other hand, as the sought and not the seeker, allow guys inside and are making active, rational choices to have sex with these people. It's almost like inviting the guys in.

A woman kind of lowers herself every time she has sex with another guy because doing so is an exhibition of a lack of either restraint or self-respect or something like that (and, as we know, sluts are not well-regarded for their restraint/self-respect/what have you), whereas a guy who is willing to have sex with whomever he can is just a normal guy.

I think that last paragraph was the best summary I made of all of those. I was pretty much just typing out some thoughts. As such, these points aren't exactly up for debate. I know they don't apply for everyone, I know they're bad/stupid reasons, are sweeping generalizations, and don't take into account numerous things like women's desires, but I would think that that's some of the foudational thinking behind the double standard. That's just my guess.

Maybe there's also something with the societal views of men as the domineering ones and women as the submissive ones. A man going out and doing a bunch of local girls is sort of exerting his dominance over the smaller, weaker creatures. As such, the woman who actively seeks out sex (the slut) is putting herself in an out-of-gender role due to weakness or lascivity, neither of which are desirable traits.

Just talking out loud, here.

For me, though, I find it just as disgusting to hear guys talk about having sex with many different people as it is to hear girls doing the same thing. The double standard comes in, however, in my reaction. I have more pity for the girl, while I just don't respect the guy.

I dunno.

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Didn't you used to have to have a signed permission slip to get into Sex Ed? I think maybe we should employ that idea again. Cover the basics in Health in 7th or 8th grade as a required course, and then once you've got your Health credit, if you want to go more into the subject and get the details, take Sex Ed as an elective. (Not necessarily with a permission slip, but sometime after you've had Health.)
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