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View Poll Results: What should the government do about smoking
Limit Advertising of Tobbaco Products 17 39.53%
Impose a Special tax on Tabbaco Products 19 44.19%
Ban Smoking in Certain Areas Such as Public Transit Stations 36 83.72%
Nothing 4 9.30%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-11-2007, 12:15 AM   #21
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Right. So what's wrong with letting a handful of people be morons?
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:16 AM   #22
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:17 AM   #23
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Nevertheless, that's a private matter, not an issue for the entire population to decide.
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:17 AM   #24
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Right. So what's wrong with letting a handful of people be morons?
A handful of things.
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:17 AM   #25
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NAME THEM

Edit: well, while I'm waiting for you to do that, I think I'll go to sleep. I'm sick and I have work tommorow.

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Old 02-11-2007, 12:26 AM   #26
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All three of those are in use right now. There are no smoking ads on tv, there is a large tax on cigarettes, and smoking is banned in most public places.
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:30 AM   #27
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Edit: well, while I'm waiting for you to do that, I think I'll go to sleep. I'm sick and I have work tommorow.
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Old 02-11-2007, 01:21 AM   #28
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Edit: well, while I'm waiting for you to do that, I think I'll go to sleep. I'm sick and I have work tommorow.
For one, in households where one or more parents smoke around children. Legally, the children can not get out of the situation and the parents don't have to listen to their children. All while the parents are essentially putting their childrens' health at risk.
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Old 02-11-2007, 02:28 AM   #29
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smoking isn't that bad
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i am rofling at the above statement.
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Old 02-11-2007, 04:19 AM   #31
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secondhand smoke kills more then the person acually smoking a cigarette. all cigarette companys should just close down. people dont realize that you die early, get wrinkles faster, and all that good junk.

sigh*, i just learned about this in schoool.
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Old 02-11-2007, 07:37 AM   #32
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1. Unconstutional, this is limiting the first amendment.
2. Must be passed by the people, usually not happening.
3. Once again, by the people, plenty of places are limited, and none in the car??, now that is going to seem insane to the voters.

I prefer not to use drugs or smoke, blah blah blah, you get it.
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Old 02-11-2007, 07:43 AM   #33
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secondhand smoke kills more then the person acually smoking a cigarette. all cigarette companys should just close down. people dont realize that you die early, get wrinkles faster, and all that good junk.

sigh*, i just learned about this in schoool.
I believe second-hand smoke is more dangerous than the smoke going through the filter, but keep in mind, that the person smoking the cigarette is also getting their dose of second-hand smoke, therefore even though the second hand smoke is more dangerous, the person smoking is getting both.

Taxes are already being put into place on cigarettes, but honestly I don't see the point. The government only did it to make more money, and that's it. People don't care how much cigarettes cost. It could be $10 a pack and people would still buy them. So this option only helps if you want the government to have more money. It doesn't help if you have the people at heart.

I honestly don't remember the last time I ever saw a cigarette commercial. It might just be where I live, though I never saw one when I lived in Chicago either. I think the anti-smoking commercials oughta be taken off commercials, cause they are the most innacurate, biased, lies I have ever heard.

I do think that steps should be taken in public facilities, such as: hospitals, schools, etc. etc. However, as someone mentioned, restaurants and bars are privately owned, and it SHOULD be upto the owner of that facility whether smoking is allowed or not. Whether that's the case or not, I'm not sure, but that's the way it should be. I do know that in 95% of restaurants there's a non-smoking and a smoking section, so that's not even a problem. Bars are bars, don't go into a bar if you're not expecting someone if not a lot of people to be smoking. It all comes down to common sense.

The only thing that I have a problem with is the smoking around children in a car or a house, however, I don't see how these problems can be avoided. My parents went and smoked in the garage when they did, but I know a bunch of parents who smoke in the house when they have young kids, and that, I believe, is a problem.

Smoking should not be abolished. It's a freedom and a right. There's no drugs in cigarettes that make anyone less able to perform tasks, such as alcohol or pot might, therefore I see no problem with people doing it. There's a sign on the side of the box that says "This will cause cancer" in laymens terms. And if after that, someone still choses to smoke, then it's their right.

I'm done

EDIT: This doesn't mean that I like smoking, or do smoke, or approve of it, this is just what I believe.
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Old 02-11-2007, 07:55 AM   #34
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This is critical thinking, stop posting things like this, and your above "peace bro". Try to at least show a shred of intelligence when posting in here, ok.

Now, here in the UK there is going to be a smoking ban starting in April of this year. It will ban smoking in all public indoor places, such as restaurants, pubs, offices, etcetera. I personally agree with this as being the way to go about smoking.

I don't smoke, nor will I ever, but let me tell you that sometimes when I come in and my parents are smoking, well, I don't have a problem telling them that it is disgusting. Smoking, to me, is something that needs to be totally eradicated, the more that is done to prohibit the usage of it, the better.

I would be happy for anything to happy, banning advertising, complete banning. It is all good.
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Old 02-11-2007, 08:20 AM   #35
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This is critical thinking, stop posting things like this, and your above "peace bro". Try to at least show a shred of intelligence when posting in here, ok.
I agree with this. This is the first time I chose to wander in here to see what it was about, and seeing things like that was kind of disappointing, personally. Evascythe, you have really shown nothing to justify your reasoning, other then that it's "disgusting" and "kills" and blah blah blah. Have some intelligence or stay out of here.
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Old 02-11-2007, 09:50 AM   #36
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I agree with this. This is the first time I chose to wander in here to see what it was about, and seeing things like that was kind of disappointing, personally. Evascythe, you have really shown nothing to justify your reasoning, other then that it's "disgusting" and "kills" and blah blah blah. Have some intelligence or stay out of here.
Although I recognise the validity of your complaint do you actualy think that people will respond to it? Just let it be. If you want to discuss or complain then maybe you should go into the suggestions forum and make a thread about banning users who missuse the critical thinking forum. Otherwise just ignore it.
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Now, here in the UK there is going to be a smoking ban starting in April of this year. It will ban smoking in all public indoor places, such as restaurants, pubs, offices, etcetera. I personally agree with this as being the way to go about smoking.
This works fairly well. In the beginning, at least here, there were protests in bars where tons of people smoked. After a week they stopped. You WILL notice a big difference in restaurants. If you ever go to somewhere with people smoking you'll notice how good the law is.
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Old 02-11-2007, 01:10 PM   #38
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I agree with the law coming into the UK to ban smoking in public places but an outright ban is just stupid. I really hate smoking but banning it would just be impinging on people's rights. I'll agree to a ban on cigarettes only when another law is passed banning people from eating themselves to obesity. Both kill you.

True being obese doesn't harm other people (except on cramped planes...) but that is why I agree with the ban on smoking in public places.

Education is the answer, not a ban.
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Old 02-11-2007, 03:43 PM   #39
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1-3 have already happened or are in the process of happening. The tax is called sin tax and includes alcohol.

1. Both alcohol and tobacco have limits on what they can advertise. Alcohol companies cannot show anyone drinking their product. And the tobacco has already received a bunch flak for their advertising method.

2. There is also already a tax on alcohol and tobacco products, it's called the sin tax.

3. Smoking has already been banned in high foot traffic areas, restaurants, colleges, etc.

About the second hand smoke issue: second hand smoke is only dangerous if you are exposed high concentrations of smoke constantly (such as a child who has parents who smoke). Walking by someone who is smoking in the park isn't going to hurt you (unless you are allergic).
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Old 02-11-2007, 03:58 PM   #40
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If you begin to think intelligently, you realize that arguing FOR smokers is absolutely idiotic. All you're doing if you're smoking tobacco is literally killing yourself. If that's what you want to do, fine, go ahead, but you should only be able to do it inside your own home. To add to that, everyone in the home at risk of second hand smoke should have to actually agree that you're going to do it. Honestly, is it worth it? No. Smoking is a waste of, well of everything.
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