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However in Doctrine and Covenants 42:18 it says "And now, behold, I speak unto the church. Thou shalt not kill; and he that kills shall not have forgiveness in this world, nor the world to come." When you compare it to Doctrine and Covenants 42: 25 that says "But he that has committed adultery and repents with all his heart, and forsaketh it, and doeth it no more, thou shalt forgive" then you can clearly see that murder is greater in the eyes of God because there is no forgiveness however he that repents of a sin such as adultery can be forgiven.
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They equally disappoint God, possibly, but like slip mentioned, some sins aren't forgivable and will require much more temporal punishment than others. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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All sins are forgiveable. that is the basis of the christian faith, from swearing to adultery to murder. Of course murder is forgiveable, I thought all Christian's believed that... There is no scale of sin. It is either sin, or not sin. For God or against God. It is only our human law that puts things on a scale of slightly bad to very bad and that's the way it should be. |
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Hmm...I thought he would have learned from the "Wardrobe Malfunction," Don't You Think?
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Kids are being exposed to so many things nowadays, but they have to grow up some time. I'm not saying they can't be kids or anything but there are Viagra and Cialis commercials that come on most of the time and you don't see parents complain when there kids see. I laughed the first time I saw that commercial. I didn't think it was that bad actually, I just think that parents should either tell the kids the truth or just say "I'll tell you when your older". But not all non-Christians are for homosexuality either. I think that the father was being unmanly not giving his son a lecture he will need to know in life XD.
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That was the whole point of my post. I'm totally not offended as much by someone cussing as much as I'm offended by someone murdering my family, as should be the case with anyone, my point is just that some Christians make it seem like God looks down on homosexuality more than other sins. Sorry, I forgot the key word. Quote:
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Did you know that one of the MAJOR reasons why not many people would listen to Joseph Smith was because they said modern revelations are not possible (who knows, maybe its because they were hypocrites and they didnt believe God cared anymore while they still taught prayer and other things). Since you are all are hung up on what the bible teaches over the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, or Pearl of Great Price then i will clear this up with a simple passage from the Old Testament. Leviticus 17:22 reads: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." If you look at the footnotes for this scripture it is spelled out as it speaks "With the male you shall not lie as one lies with the woman" Also look at Isaiah 3:9 which says, "The shew of thier countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hid it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves." Perhaps the New Testament? Romans 1: 27 - "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet." How about this one? 1 Corinthians 6: 9 - "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind." Abusers of themselves as it is put has a footnote that relates them to Homosexuals/Homosexuality. Jude 1:7 - "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire" With yet more footnotes relating to homosexuality |
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snickers is bad for you of course have faith in the lord everyone is forgiven or no one is forgiven remember rasputin who said god loved forgiving us more than his only son, so let's give him a lot to forgive us for but pleast don't impinge on my rights gg, kthx
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Im a protestant so I don't believe you do have to talk to your bishop when you commit adultery. I also don't believe it there is a 'repentence process' for any sin. If you say sorry, and you mean it, then you are forgiven. God is our Abba father right? this means daddy. If you say sorry to your daddy, he's going to forgive you and love you, not make you go through some ritual until he believes your really sorry. I wholeheartedly believe the ONLY unpardonable sin is if you die without accepting Christ, that is what rejecting the holy spirit really is. I just can not believe that a loving God that John 3:16ed our lazy behinds would really fill faith with all these rules. Moving on... Lord Carbo, I totally agree with you about God looking down on homosexuality more than any other sin. And for what you said about biblical contradictions, I really don't believe there are any, differences exist between new and old testament but that is all explained through Jesus and what not. However it appears massive contradictions do exist between the doctrine and covenants and the bible which is why I don't believe the doctrine and covenants, why would God go back on himself and his word without any decent explanation... |
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He didnt go back on his word, its more like he re-emphasized certain things to fit the times. Do you really think that God needed to tell people back in biblical times not to look at porn online? I really dont think so because it wasnt an issue back then. He tells us what we need to here WHEN we need to hear them. I am sure as heck know that situations are different now as opposed to 2000 years ago and i am thankful to know that he is actively trying to help us with things that are giving us problems now. Do you think it would be very nice for him to be all like "I already helped you guys thousands of years ago, why are you still having problems? Ahh oh well, i have already spoken, screw you and your problems. You say you have new and different problems? That sucks, i dont want to make a whole new book so you are on your own."
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Really what is the big problem with homosexuality. The bible says it is wrong however the bible says many things are wrong. Really if you counted the average person would probably comit a sin of some sort at least twice a day. To say that homosexuals are all siners is really not a great thing to do. However there is one thing I do not like about the comercial and it is that it implies homosequals are not "manly."
For heavens sake these people could make a scandal about that ford comercial where the robot jumps of the bridge. Suicide is sin after all (If I remember corectly).
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Hmm, I'm personally not religious, but I do study religion very very very often, though I haven't really taken the time to look into the different forms of Christianity. I've studied the Holy Bible and that's it. I'm not sure where I stand on the whole Judaeism (sp), Christianity, and Mormonism thing. Cause if you think about it, it's all the same. They all believe the same texts, but as time progresses there's a new book. Christians should understand what Mormons believe, even if they chose not to believe it themselves, cause Christians believe in the New Testament which was written many many years after the old, and still choose to believe it. I just think that everyone should be respectful of each other's religion, but that's not going to happen, I just hope that it can happen on these boards. No one knows what the right religion is, or if there even is a right religion. In my eyes, the right religion is the one that works best for you. If mormonism helps you more in today's times than a form of Christianity before, then I believe you should follow it with all your heart. If it doesn't help, but the Old and New Testament seem to do the trick, then stick with that. But, don't try and put others down for how they chose to live their life. Because, despite what you believe, I think all religions can agree that you never have the right to try and take happiness from someone else.
Onto the gay thing! As you mentioned, the people who were more upset were the gays who were portrayed as "less manly". Being bi, myself, I really don't see what people are making such a big deal over. (No, I'm not bi-curious, and I'm not confused) I can be just as manly as anyone else, but just like EVERY gay guy, I have my hella fruity moments, and no gay guy can deny those moments. But, if you ask any of my friends I can be one of the manliest men you've ever met. All I'm saying, is that gays should be proud of who they are, like they CLAIM to be. Homosexuality ISN'T manly, but you CAN be manly WHILE being a homosexual. Meaning, going out and kissing a guy, just isn't manly. But, the fact that I eat meat just about 3 times a day, is manly. As for the straight people who complain. I've gone over this so many times with so many people. How are gay people REALLY affecting you? How is 2 guys making out affect you any more than a guy and a girl making out... Or heck, 2 GIRLS. Society just choses to hold its double standards. I just think that straight people feel threatened because gayness is starting to become more acceptable, and the politically correct heteros are flipping out. And of course religion comes into play in all of this, but that's already been discussed. EDIT: Reading over this, I thought I could put a bit more emphasis on the lesbian thing. Who complains about the commercials where the girls are hanging all over each other, and things like that? No one. |
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EDIT:- Wlfwind, I just read your post and thought 'lol', lesbianism is so much more accepted than two men kissing (what is the word for this... as its not gay, because that could mean men or women, what is the word relating to gay men only?) I don't know why this is... I get what you're saying about the religion thing and I agree with you that we should all respect one another but I've never agreed with the 'follow the one that is right for you' philosophy. Only one religion is going to be the truth (this includes atheism) and we should strive all our lives to find the truth, because if we're living a lie, it's really no help to anyone. Also the difference between judaism evolving into christianity and christianity evolving into mormonism is that between judaism and christianity was Christ, he performed miracles and crap and had the big scary cross death and claimed to be the son of God, so people chose to follow him. Whereas I fail to see why I should believe in mormonism when there are loads of cults that also claim to be rooted in christianity. What makes mormonism different? Sorry that sounds confrontational rereading it, but I don't mean it that way, I'm genuinely open to people's answers. Last edited by sherbtail; 02-11-2007 at 08:32 AM.. |
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in my opinion, simply put,
i thought the commercial was funny in a creepyish way. & everyone should just deal with the gay stuff, because it's all around us & we have to deal with it one way or another. i just feel that we should let the gay guys be, but i don't wanna see itt. |
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First of all, murder has always been unacceptable, but the ability to repent through the pure love of Christ (his crusifiction/ ATONEMENT)has not always been available and thats why it wasnt specifically labeled as unpardonable (because you couldnt really repent before that). In any case, if you really want to know what the difference between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS, Mormons) and any other religion then check out the website. www.lds.org It promise that somewhere on that website you find the answer to pretty much any gospel question you have.
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I'm one person who always tries to strive for truth, so I do see your point of view, however this is one thing that we can't simply know, and that's the only reason that I think religion is something that should be chosen based on what works best and what makes you happiest. Yes, we should all strive for truth, but we don't know what comes after this life, and we more-than-likely never will (Unless the rapture happens and we all realize that God is real or something, which is a possibility) until we die. We'll never know what the right one is, and that's the only reason I follow the "whatever works best" philosophy. And I suppose there's a difference in Joseph Smith and Jesus Christ. But, it's only because Jesus claimed to be a savior, while Joseph Smith did not. Joseph Smith is no different than anyone else who wrote books of the New or Old testament. Jesus didn't add a word to the bible, however prophets of God did. If you believe those prophets, then isn't it safe to say that there's a possibility that God chose another prophet to write more to his Great Book? I'm not saying I agree with either side, I'm just trying to enlighten some people to the possibility. The Old Testament was written by prophets, the New was written by prophets, and The Book of Mormon was written by a prophet...Seems consistent to me. |
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