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Old 02-1-2007, 08:59 AM   #21
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I think we should've trained prisoners instead of good kids to go over there. Instead our prisoners get to watch TV with a roof over their head and 3 meals daily while our kids are getting a tent and killed. Personally that is not cool. This is a war that will never end! Look at the history behind these people, it dates back to the Bible. America got involved decades before 9/11 and it caught up to us. Americans cannot handle the truth. I remember seeing Bush's face while he was in a classroom, his advisor told him the twin towers were hit, he sat there a minute with a blank face! Americans all think it could never happen to this all mighty country...WRONG. They slapped our government in the face and brutally killed. Howabout the hurricane that totally wiped out New Orleans? No one ever thought IT would happen. The people on welfare standing on their roofs waiting on someone to give them something, waiting on someone to save them, while other resourceful people grabbed a boat beside them floating by and used it. "Just Pay taxes, We are on our own" that says to me. The president couldn't stop the twin towers from happening, who knows what's next? Because the way America thinks, there's always going to be loop holes for terrorist to get through it's just a matter of time. Good Luck to us all!!!!
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Old 02-1-2007, 06:23 PM   #23
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I think we should've trained prisoners instead of good kids to go over there. Instead our prisoners get to watch TV with a roof over their head and 3 meals daily while our kids are getting a tent and killed. Personally that is not cool. This is a war that will never end! Look at the history behind these people, it dates back to the Bible. America got involved decades before 9/11 and it caught up to us. Americans cannot handle the truth. I remember seeing Bush's face while he was in a classroom, his advisor told him the twin towers were hit, he sat there a minute with a blank face! Americans all think it could never happen to this all mighty country...WRONG. They slapped our government in the face and brutally killed. Howabout the hurricane that totally wiped out New Orleans? No one ever thought IT would happen. The people on welfare standing on their roofs waiting on someone to give them something, waiting on someone to save them, while other resourceful people grabbed a boat beside them floating by and used it. "Just Pay taxes, We are on our own" that says to me. The president couldn't stop the twin towers from happening, who knows what's next? Because the way America thinks, there's always going to be loop holes for terrorist to get through it's just a matter of time. Good Luck to us all!!!!
I'm not entirely sure what the real story is, but try walking out of an elementary/primary school classroom saying "I gotta go, we're under attack". Well, that and the fact that the kids don't know of any faults that Bush may have commited, and respect as a government leader, anyway.

I don't know, maybe he didn't know what to do. It's not easy to make big presidential decisions right out of a elementary school classroom.


Now that I think about it, it had to happen eventually.

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Howabout the hurricane that totally wiped out New Orleans? No one ever thought IT would happen.
Well, as far as I know, the mayor didn't take any real action against the hurricane in addition to the unexpected breaking of the levees (forgot how to spell it).

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There's a reason why the guys got on there in the first place: Just about the entire country didn't know of their plot, and it was well thought out over a long period of time. All enemies are cunning to a certain extent, no matter how big or small.

On top of that, the president doesn't watch EVERY SINGLE THING in the United States. He isn't SuperBush or something.
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Bush Is The Worst Thing That Ever Happend!!!
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I'm not saying Bush or any Government official is bad, I wouldn't want there job, too much to deal with. I just mean we have too much within our home land that's not fixed... alot of confusion. Stuff runs down hill. Our Government runs this land like a corporation, the right hand doesn't really know what the left hand is doing. We welcome into the country everybody(loophole#1)
To think we can organize another country is crazy. But we have no say, so if it was me......................................
We are training the wrong people to fight over there. Empty all correctional institutions out with good able bodied crims and train them, send them, (hope they don't come back) They died for good cause right? Maybe their parents would be proud of them for a change and we wouldn't have to house / feed them either lol!
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I'm not saying Bush or any Government official is bad, I wouldn't want there job, too much to deal with. I just mean we have too much within our home land that's not fixed... alot of confusion. Stuff runs down hill. Our Government runs this land like a corporation, the right hand doesn't really know what the left hand is doing. We welcome into the country everybody(loophole#1)
To think we can organize another country is crazy. But we have no say, so if it was me......................................
We are training the wrong people to fight over there. Empty all correctional institutions out with good able bodied crims and train them, send them, (hope they don't come back) They died for good cause right? Maybe their parents would be proud of them for a change and we wouldn't have to house / feed them either lol!
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Other than the emphasized portion, well said.
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DWhite, this is exactly how you shouldn't run a country. There are plenty of reasons to hate Bush but those aren't the right ones.

First of all, criminals and prisoners would not be used for combat because they can bail on us at vital moments. We wouldn't be killing two birds with one stone, rather, we'd be giving enemies on the open field a chance to beat us.

Second of all, this country was build on the basis of equality and freedom. Sure, it isn't perfect, but it is one of the best attempt the world had at one time. I mean, pretty much in no other place would accept the diversity of people. Sure, we have had our problems in the past with the immigration of the Chinese and Japanese but that was fixed. Currently, we are having problems with Mexicans coming into the US but maybe the US will pull through and just allow them in. If you close off these priveledges to everyone and only allow Americans to go in and out, you defeat the purpose of the Constitution.

Finally, even though this has nothing to do with Dwhite, I'd still like to say that America was welcomed into Iraq at first but now, Iraq wants us out and Saddam back because during his rule, there was stability with a heavy price and the people are yearning for this stability that the US cannot offer.

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Old 02-1-2007, 09:35 PM   #29
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I love this country.Okay, So our English language is moved down now to be our second/third language? Look at our products you have to look hard for the English version LOL. If everyone wants to be Americans why can't we just speak English? I'm choosing not to go back to school to learn someone elses' language. I'm not closed minded at all, it's my right, freedom of speech in the language I was born speaking. I never said close off privilages. I just meant by letting everyone in, it's a huge loophole for anti Americans to blend in with the population, sitting dormant, killing us silently in small ways noone even thinks about.
Do you realize how many doctors came in to this country good and bad ones?while it was brewing, USA intrusted their families with those doctors, they got away with murder, cases that were so simple to treat, those same patients ended up in the morgues within weeks/months of treatments. The docs sent money back to their country from those patients to help fight us. Just one doctor had killed 400 patients, that's scary. Yet on the other hand American criminals have killed the same amount as terrorists all together and 10 fold. I bet our founding fathers would have put clauses in the Constitution if they were here now.
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When some people come to America, it is because America is a land of hope for them. Here, people can do what they want as you said, or more so than in any other country. In America, the government might pay for you college and not asked to be paid back while in other countries, the government will pay for you education as long as you serve them for the rest of your life. They come here to escape such tyrannies.

Although sometimes I do find it annoying that people aren't speaking my language, English, we cannot tell them they should learn our language. They have the freedom of speech as you said and they have no need to learn our language to prove themselves to be American.

So what if you hate these certain groups of people? So what if a few of many are bad eggs? Does this mean that America should consider closing itself off from the world to many people who have dreams of coming here to live a life?

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Old 02-2-2007, 07:53 AM   #31
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I enjoy your views. Come on I'm game. Like I said I am open minded. I do not hate anyone, nor am I pointing fingers and judging any human culture. I am simply weighing all the factors as to why America is the way it is. I think deeper, about our country way before we came and overpopulated it. I feel sorry for the original American people...The Indians. Think about it for just a moment. We came here killed every resource they had/taking more than we needed and eventually shoved them over to give them only a small fraction of land to shut them up. Oh yea, some of their children went to college and were taught/forced our religion. Some went on to live civilized life as we do. The rest chose to keep their heritage to some extent, only what our people would allow. You never hear of National Indian Recognition day or any other day for these people. They lived off the land, took only what they needed, left no trace other than pottery/arrows ect behind. Our culture was shoved down their throats. Was that free? Big price to pay for that culture. They became a minority group quickly. I think we should let the Mexicans in, least they work! Sorta make a trade, send our prisoners there, they won't last long the way Mexican government handles crime. I had to put that in there LOL. Heck, let everybody in. No problem, our taxes go up higher to pay for the freedom of not working, crime goes up, more babies to repeat the cycle over and over. Just to mention a few. Okay I am waiting from you. hehe
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Nah, I'm actually cool with what you said. I was going to bring up a lot of the points you mentioned in a counter argument if need be. I guess I don't really have to do any of that.

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Actually, in The State Of The Union address, Bush said something about people who weren't citizens of the US being able to work in the country temporarily and head back home. I forgot exactly how it went.

Also, I'm both African American and I have some Cherokee blood; this primary oppression was spread by the Spaniards, not entirely the Americans. They judged the Indians and before they knew them, thinking that they were way out of their league.

As for the Africans, they were a (at the time) powerful people, and the Westerners basically went in and raided the continent, and put them into slave labor; I believe that it was the Romans that first took over Africa, I'll WikiPedia it. Then, of course, slaves became valuable and the trade began.

My reason for saying this: I don't think it was the liberty-loving, English-rooted people (aside from Jackson) that really put the oppression on the "minorities". If those loyal fathers were cruel at all, it was 'cause of the earlier conquests that considered the Natives and Africans inferior - particularly the Spaniards - that spread the filthiness across the west; this is also why many Latin countries prefer to be called "Latino" instead of "Hispanic".
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In the Punic Wars, Rome eventually invaded and conquered Carthage (modern Tunis). They also established considerable ties with Egypt. But Romans did not invade "Africa" beyond the Mediterranean theater. This is not to say that Romans did not practice slavery; they were quite big fans of it. But it was not until the Dutch and Portuguese (a millennium later) mariners came into contact with sub-Saharan African peoples that the African slave trade became prevalent.
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Aren't they there just because of oil. Bush uses the excuse of Iraq having nuclear weapons just to invade them. Also N. Korea says they have an A-bomb.
Do you think they really have 1 or is it just a bluff?
Also some think 9/11 was planned.
What do you think?
If the american government would sink their own ship with their citizens on it, wouldn't they be capable of crashing 4 planes to destroy 2 towers?
Aside from this, would you trade personal freedom for security?
Who do you think will be our next president and how will he deal with the possible future conflicts?
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President George W. Bush has the whole thing backwards. What is neccesary is not a troop increase but a troop decrease. If we increase the troops the insurgents in Iraq are likely to take a more aggresive stance and more Iraqi's will join the millitias as a mesure of self deffence. If you think about it the average Iraqi citizen is not very well informed. All they hear is the word "Escalation" wich signals more violence and death. They will be think about the consequences and eventualy realize that if the government collapses then millitias will take control (nevermind they have already taken political if not legal control). This reasoning will promt Iraqi citizens to join a millitia partly for deffence against millitias of another relegion and partly out of hunger for power when millitias topple the government. If troop levels are decreased then the militias will lose morale. Without an enemy to fight they will gradualy decrease violence levels and though secterian violence may spike in the short term over time it will even out.
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Aren't they there just because of oil. Bush uses the excuse of Iraq having nuclear weapons just to invade them. Also N. Korea says they have an A-bomb.
Do you think they really have 1 or is it just a bluff?
Also some think 9/11 was planned.
What do you think?
If the american government would sink their own ship with their citizens on it, wouldn't they be capable of crashing 4 planes to destroy 2 towers?
Aside from this, would you trade personal freedom for security?
Who do you think will be our next president and how will he deal with the possible future conflicts?
9/11 was planned. If you look at videos the explosions of both towers are parallel. the planes crashed into them at aproximatley the same height and then after an equal interval with both towers every other floor exploded at equal intervals. do you realy think a terrorist organisation could hide explosives on every other floor and weaken the foundation blocks within less then 5 minutes. Also if you see pictures of the pentagon crash the windows were still intact there were no marks on the ground and there was no trace of a plane. I think that the whole Iraq invasion (and the invasion of afganistan) were carefully plotted so bush could finish what his dad started in the first gulf war
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I think we should've trained prisoners instead of good kids to go over there. Instead our prisoners get to watch TV with a roof over their head and 3 meals daily while our kids are getting a tent and killed. Personally that is not cool. This is a war that will never end! Look at the history behind these people, it dates back to the Bible. America got involved decades before 9/11 and it caught up to us. Americans cannot handle the truth. I remember seeing Bush's face while he was in a classroom, his advisor told him the twin towers were hit, he sat there a minute with a blank face! Americans all think it could never happen to this all mighty country...WRONG. They slapped our government in the face and brutally killed. Howabout the hurricane that totally wiped out New Orleans? No one ever thought IT would happen. The people on welfare standing on their roofs waiting on someone to give them something, waiting on someone to save them, while other resourceful people grabbed a boat beside them floating by and used it. "Just Pay taxes, We are on our own" that says to me. The president couldn't stop the twin towers from happening, who knows what's next? Because the way America thinks, there's always going to be loop holes for terrorist to get through it's just a matter of time. Good Luck to us all!!!!
Bush could have prevented that. Instead he played on his PSP. This president and this government are lax incompetent and impersonal. the send 3,000 americans to their deaths let hundreds more die and dont even blink! This could have been prevented and now we have a national defecit of 3-trillion 100,000 troops in Iraq and no way out of it!!!
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In my quote about New Orleans' destruction, I failed to mention the Quality Control measures of the Levy, it was the cities responsibility to upkeep them within budgets, noone has ever touched base on that one. Well, they hope noone does. Boy, what a Law Suit!
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bush is just a little angel

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