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Why does it matter? Let people type how they want, it'll be their problem to deal with later in life and not yours.
If you can't read posts that aren't something you'd see in the newspaper's daily Jumble, then that's a problem on your end. If you can read them, then there's no problem.
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I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds. |
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It's not that I can't read them.
I choose not to. Typing like that has a message all of its own to tell me. It says "Squeek, don't read this post. If this idiot can't even take the time to spell out words, whatever he's trying to say is obviously not worth reading." |
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I don't get why people substitute 4 for A and 3 for E.
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I use acronyms. I use lol when I actually want to point out that I'm actually laughing. I use rofl or lmao on the rare occasion I get the giggles bad from what someone said. I use heh, heehee, or hehe when something makes me smile or laugh just a little bit, or I sorta make that sound. lmao and lol aren't supposed to be part of regular speech or talking. They were originally used to convey ACTIONS, the action of laughing out loud, or laughing my ass off.
Why on earth should we limit ourselves to using only the words we use in speech, in conversation that takes place in text? We use smileys. Most people don't complain about them in conversation, unless they abound or something. Its the same thing, essentially. When we converse in RL, there're nuances gallore beyond the words that're actually spoken. No one complains that those are stupid. An attempt to develop the same type of thing in a different (but still very similar) modality of communication shouldn't be seen as low-class. There are already plenty of added color that are accepted in textual writings, actually. Bold, underlining italics to name a few. So what happens when you don't want to code those into your post or aren't capable? You make up for it by adding extra punctuation, using all caps, etc. There's a difference b/w 'Really?' and 'Really?????!", and again, that difference conveys a difference of emotional state. If you don't get that and don't want to convey more information in your text by adding things like that, then it's a loss of information IMO. Onto another counter-point, why do we use contractions? Wait, we use them to shorten things! That's the main argument that people have used here for shortening words, (when indeed the words ARE actually being shortened). Contractions are accepted almost everywhere (in speech and in text) except formal writing. When we're posting or talking to friends, we're not into the whole formality thing. Everyone accepts and uses contractions. Using short form for words is the exact same thing. I use 'u' and 'r' when I type sometimes, even though I type fairly fast and even though I know it bugs most of the people I chat with. I'm not talking about leet speek, or adding letters to make things look different. That's something else, more of a 'I'm this type of person who's cool, lookit me!' I think. I dunno, I never got into that, but then again, I'm not one to try and look cool. But also, that's adding nuance again. Hmmmm, its kinda like your outfit. Nothing wrong with expressing yourself, is there? But people make fun of people who do things like that though, like teenage guys who wear their pants constantly falling off their ass. Older women make fun of that all the time. Everyone's comments on this thread besides Kilga's are just plain elitist. (excluding my own, obviously :-p) |
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Note to you:
I write as if I am speaking aloud. That is to say, if you were to say this sentence out loud, it would sound exactly like it was as I "spoke" it to myself in my head while I type it out. If I use a smiley, well, that's because in reality, I CAN make that face while in conversation, and I am expressing that in my post. A smiley was intended to accurately represent what I would look like if you were to see me reading this sentence in person. Now, let's return to acronyms. You know, they aren't a problem on their own. Yes, they're annoying, but I don't have a problem with a "lol" that isn't part of a sentence. Once that "lol" enters a sentence, I have a problem with it. "wtf r u tlaking about lol" translates to: "What the ** are you talking about laughing out loud" See where my problem lies now? |
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It wasn't until I went back and read your earlier post that I got your original point (again lost in bad style and grammar). I thought you meant that acting stupid was considered cool, when you actually meant that the word "stupid" can mean "cool" in certain circles; that is, the words are interchangeable, not the meanings. You're a freshman in high school, dude, so are you bothered by the fact that you can't construct a meaningful sentence in your native language? @duhh: You don't have to hunt for a shift key. It's not like they're lost in a sea of other very similar-looking keys, because they are the biggest keys on the keyboard, save the spacebar. There are TWO of them for your convenience, so while you hunt for the letter you want, some finger could be gravitating to the nearest shift key. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com
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" that translates to "Hello, I'm a bitch that posts on an internet forum under varations of the alias 'ESqueek' mister green." See where your logic fails? You treat the meaning of the acronym "lol" as an actual functioning part of the sentence structure, which is not the case. And, for some strange reason, you choose not to treat an emoticon like that. You see it as a picture, a representation of what would happen if you were talking in person. That's exactly what "lol" serves to accomplish. You should picture them laughing. Laughing out loud. You silly little ginger****.Also, in my case, "lol" was a perfectly valid ending to the post, especially given its content. Ah, I forgot to add the point to me posting this. Do NOT assume that you are better than someone just because they don't set the same typing standards for themselves as you set for your own self. That's just being silly. A silly little ginger****. And let the censor block it - you get the intent of the post. Last edited by thyraxicmole; 11-9-2006 at 11:05 PM.. |
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thyraxicmole: take two days off for flaming in CT. Also, considering I probably hold the same views as Squeek on the matter, it's not that I think I'm hot **** for being able to use proper English, it's that anyone who doesn't is (for lack of a better word) stupid for not doing so. Using proper English is the norm, here. The datum, if you will. This is what's expected of users of a language and is, for the most part, executed. There is nothing special about doing so. But when you fall under that datum, you should expect to be ridiculed for not being up to standard. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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On forums the use of that shorthand nonsense is completely annoying. It doesn't take that much longer to type it out and it makes you look just that much more professional/mature/good with grammar/intelligent to everyone else on the fourms. I admit that when using instant messengers I change into the 'u' and 'r' scenario, mainly because I'm only on my messengers for a short amount of time or I'm talking to many people and trying to keep up with all of them at the same time.
I think originally that the '3' replacing 'e' in words came from accidently hitting one key too high. The 'z' replacing the 's' came from moving one row down and slightly to the left. I think a lot of people are really speaking the truth when they say that it helps them type that much faster. If they don't use home row, and still use hunt and peck instead, it is much easier to type 'u' instead of 'you'. For those that want to increase your typing speed: Use the home row. Learn to type with both hands. Learn to type without looking at the keyboard. Unless you really want to learn how to type quickly and accurately, most people can't just do this on their own. My first motivation to learn how to type quickly was when I played Everquest...7?ish years ago. Running around and slaying monsters is all fine and dandy, but when you are trying to carry on a conversation with the rest of your group and possibly give directions, the ability to type quickly and remain in control of your character becomes a necessary survival skill. |
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Seems this thread has strayed from my original point.
I simply want to know why anyone would willfully appear like an idiot? Most the time, people don't like being regarded as a fool or an idiot in person, so why do they do it on the internet?
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Because they don't care what people who form opinions based solely on something as superficial as grammar think of them?
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I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds. Last edited by Kilgamayan; 11-10-2006 at 12:26 AM.. |
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Grammar is superficial?
Proper use of your own goddamn language is superficial? I hardly think so. I expect anyone with a remote level of self-esteem to at least understand that they should be able to speak, write, and think past an elementary school mentality.
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Why are you still asking when you just answered it in your own 2 questions? Anonymity + Mass Communication = Complete Retard. I dont complain about the way people type because its just as easy to choose NOT to read something. What bugs me is when people use random curse words for no obvious reason, ESPECIALLY in real life where you hear everything around you constantly whether you like it or not. (Unless you cover your ears of course, but even then you would have to cover them extremely good to not hear anything at all.)
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thyraxicmole, despite the fact that you won't be able to see this for another two days, I think I should reply.
1) I am a very arrogant person in so many ways, but grammar is just not one of them. Look, I am not a linguist. I am not a grammar nazi, freak, whatever. I hate most of the rules of English. If you want a real grammar nazi, you'd turn your focus to Guido. I am simply someone who points out to others, even people I call friends, their mistakes. Yes, I have friends in reality, and yes, I do this to them as well. You honestly think I'm trying to put myself in a better light than the people I call my close friends? (By the way, I have the capability of calling people I've never even met aside from posts on forums "friends". Most of the regulars on these forums are my friends.) No. I am merely assisting my friends. Giving them just a nudge in the back and saying "you did that wrong". Can you honestly tell me that you've never once, NOT EVEN ONCE, criticized your friends for something they've done? So, in summary, #1 states that you have misanalyzed my persona and personally, I think you should not pursue a career in psychology. 2) Emoticons are different. Emoticons aren't words. They aren't acronyms. They aren't anything in the English language. As such, there are no rules for emoticons. Put them wherever you want. Ignore punctuation with them. I know I do. Who wants to see =D. What the crap is that dot doing there? Is that a mole on my face? But, acronyms ARE in the English language. Acronyms ARE words. They stand for something. Usually, I mean, most of the time, they do actually stand for something, right? I mean, that's what an acronym is. Now, say NASA for example. If I say NASA in a sentence, you know I mean National Aeronautics and Space Administration, but it's not like I'm going to say it, and it's not like you're going to interpret it as such. However, when I DO say "NASA" in a sentence, subbing in its spelled-out form wouldn't change the meaning of the sentence. Sure, you might have to throw a "the" in front of the spelled-out form of it, but in the end, there's no difference. "I hear NASA is gonna send a probe to Jupiter." "I hear [the] National Aeronautics and Space Administration is gonna send a probe to Jupiter." See? Same thing. But "lol". It's not a word. It's an acronym too. It's three letters that represent three words. Just like we did with NASA, we also have to be able to have the sentence work with the acronym and the spelled-out words. Now, the problem here is that people have made a word out of "lol". It's not a word, I tells ya! If it were a word, it wouldn't be an acronym! It wouldn't mean "laughing out loud" if it were a word! It would just be "lol". Even though you can pronounce "NASA" as "Nah-sah" instead of just saying each letter, it's still assumed that you mean "National Aeronautics and Space Administration" whenever you say it, and it's still an acronym. The same rules apply for "lol". It's still an acronym even if you pronounce it as "lawl" or "lowl". It still has to be able to be substituted by "Laughing out loud" whenever it shows up. Again, this is different from emoticons. Emoticons are assumed to work like this: you make a sentence, then at the end, you show your facial expression that associates the way you would look as you said it aloud. That sucks =p That sucks =( That sucks lol That makes a huge difference. The first just means "I don't really sympathize at all, but I do kinda feel for ya." The second means "I'm sorry for whatever happened." This is just our way of doing things. You could also do it like this: That sucks. =p Which basically puts the sentence first, and then the way you look as you speak it later. But we went with a simpler method for emoticons, and it's been working out pretty well. But the third... the THIRD! "That sucks laughing out loud". That sentence could be read as something (that) is sucking (like a vacuum) laughing out loud. It makes no sense, but neither does the original sentence. This is the problem with "lol". It just cannot sit at the end of a sentence. It throws of the subject-verb agreement. It throws off the flow of the sentence. It kills the sentence structure completely. Enjoy your time off. |
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If all of this were real life - something that actually COUNTS - then you might have a point. But it isn't. The quality of someone's casual online communication isn't going to make or break someone's future. If they don't have problems outside of the internet, good for them, and if they do, then the internet isn't going to help them anyway (at least not as much as actual school would).
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I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds. Last edited by Kilgamayan; 11-10-2006 at 01:13 AM.. |
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My post got deleted =(
Maybe I'll actually respond to Kilga though. While the internet (which actually should be capitalized, but no one does anyway) is basically a cesspool of ridiculousness and porn, there is a certain level of intelligence that can be shown on it. When you see someone post "i don't get u gaiz lol" the first thing you think is "He's either eight or another idiot." and then Rai tells him to kill himself in a hilarious fashion. Therefore, if you want to have a good time on this forum or any other that is mostly made up of elitist ******s. You have to portray yourself in an intelligent manner. While it may not matter in real life how people talk online, it does matter ONLINE. Second, I'd rather people explain their values and ideas in a coherent fashion. I could agree with stem cell research but if I posted "u kno, i think stem sell reseach iz a gud thing bcauze it helps ppl get over dizease an stuff." While my viewpoint may be noble and legitimate, I would look like a total moron. |
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Sigh.
"This is not real life." Like hell. You're alive. You're interacting. It's real. It's in the confines of reality. It happens. Stuff can affect you and other people that you find on the internet. Get over yourself by thinking that what you do online doesn't have any bearing on the "real" world.
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I find this amusing coming from the guy who not only thinks his opinion holds so much weight that he gets to demand other people use proper grammar, but that refuses to recognize that not everyone wants to treat the internet the same way he does. I'll admit some of the the people I've met online have had bearing in my real life, but they're the exception rather than the rule, and the quality of the grammar we use(d) is/was certainly not an influence on our decisions. Rather, it was our interests, values and ideas, which I referenced earlier.
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I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds. Last edited by Kilgamayan; 11-10-2006 at 02:55 AM.. |
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