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Old 06-22-2007, 05:53 PM   #41
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Default Re: Why does everyone take Asperger's as a disease?

This thread = tl;dr for me but I read the first couple of posts.

My cousin is autistic, his social skills are down the gutter, he can't have anything near a conversation, repeats stuff over and over, and can't take no for an answer.

However he can write down the complete credits for over 50 movies just off the top of his head and can hum songs near perfectly after just hearing them once.

I feel bad for him, and being around him is always hard.
While there are advantages to having amazing thinking abilities like that, in most cases, the disadvantages outweigh any benefit.
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Old 06-22-2007, 06:23 PM   #42
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I understood long division and algebra when I was 4, and learned to read when I was 2, before I started talking. I knew how to talk over a year before I found the use for it. When I was 7 I started learning HTML, and I'm now leaning Python. Math has always been my favorite subject, and music is my life. I'm a great lier, but only because I need to be. I'm a smooth talker, and could get a lot of girls and I could be a very popular guy, but I choose my geek friends and I want a sweet, fun girl that I can relate to (deVy). I dress pretty well, and I see no reason for school. I believe that school should be optional, and you should be able to pick what classes you take, because I hate wasting life. I could be your best friend if you treat me right.

Do I have Asperger's?
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Old 06-23-2007, 01:11 AM   #43
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Default Re: Why does everyone take Asperger's as a disease?

I originally saw this thread when someone bumped it with something irellevant, and since that was a bogus bump, and I was still pretty new here, I didn't comment on it, but all I have to say to the OP is "Re-read what you said...and tell me that your social interactions are actually appropriate"

Asperger's is the second most self-diagnosed condition in the world (next to ADHD) and there has -never- been a compelling way to distinguish between aspergers and say...being smart and shy.

Everything the OP described as the "symptoms" of his aspergers are things that apply to me, and all three of the other people currently living in this house. We could -all- easily self-diagnose ourselves with Aspergers, and what...pat ourselves on the back for overcoming our condition?

It's a load of crap. Very smart people have poor social skills generally, because they don't interact at a young age with other young children in a useful way. They are more intelligent than those around them, concerned with different things, and so have very little in common. When you don't have the means to develop social skills early in life, guess what? You have poor social skills later in life.

The only thing diagnosing yourself with what I consider a largely bogus condition in the first place does for you, is that it allows you to use it to hide behind when your faults are in evidence, and hold it up as proof of how amazing you are when your faults are not in evidence.

As a similar sort of thing, ADD is absolutely a legitimate, diagnosable, treatable condition. ADHD is stupid-person speak for "I can't control my children, and don't want to admit that I'm a bad parent" or "I want an excuse to never do my homework, and mouth off to my parents, and Wikipedia told me this was real"

While there may be cases for aspergers as being a sort of sideways and a step down version of autism, as it applies to people to whom the terms "Intelligent, but with poorer social skills" apply, maybe you're just a very smart person who didn't really learn to socialise the way other people did. I don't see any reason to apply some pseudo-medical term to being a nerd.
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Old 07-1-2007, 09:26 PM   #44
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Default Re: Why does everyone take Asperger's as a disease?

May I also make a note that being diagnosed for Asperger's and Autism does not always mean being smarter. It more or less means a different kind of brain functioning or development that results in the aforementioned social skill problems, but will also sometimes allow for an extremely increased brain function in some cases as well.

Also, this is almost a year old, and still going. I'd love to update the OP with better information that I have now, but hey, sue me.

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Old 07-2-2007, 12:06 AM   #45
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I think a goal of medicine should be to not eliminate Autism and Aspergers but instead find a way to keep the benefits while eliminating the negative aspects of the condition.
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Old 07-2-2007, 12:27 AM   #46
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To put it short, people with Asperger's are much more intelegent than the neurally typical person
Yes. And that's where I stopped reading.
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Old 07-2-2007, 03:28 AM   #47
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Default Re: Why does everyone take Asperger's as a disease?

Alright, i feel I should bust in here, and add my N00B opinion.

*Quote*The best treatment is already available, and has always been.
It's someone that's willing to accept you for what you are, and help you.

My mother wasn't that person. She only kept bringing me to the damn doctor for medications and treatments, working her ass off to pay for it, and not even bothering what was going on in my mind. Structural therapies that try to teach individuals with asperger's about society won't work. At least, a good percentage of the time, with any degree of actual improvement.


Parents just need to take some time and talk to their kids about the way they live their lives. They might even find flaws in their own ways after they hear our side of the story.*quote*

I forgot who said that, but its completely true.

My mom did the same thing, first I was "ADD" then "ODD" then "Depression" then "BiPolar".

Just bloody genius. -.-

So anyway, after they stopped shoving pills down my throat, and just let me be me, they finally figured out that I have Asperger's Syndrome.
And to be entirely honest, I like myself better when I'm off the pills and just my strange neurotic self.

Granted, its REALLY hard to get a job when you can't look your interviewer in the eye for longer than 5 seconds, and crowds tend to make me a bit paranoid, but its better then being someone I'm not.

Of course, my family still doesn't accept it, and they try to get me on a new pill every month or so, but I blame the fact that there's a new pill on the TV every month or so.

What REALLY REALLY REALLY pisses me off is that my mom is doing the same thing to my little sister, she's only 11 and she supposedly has depression, because she hates school. (STUPIDITY ALARM)

The only bad things I've experienced with Asperger's are:

I can't look anyone in the eye.
I can't have anything touching my throat, or forehead.
I'll never remember your name, unless I see you every day for a week or so.
I can't do math, ever, even addition, unless I REALLY think about it.
Something has to be moving, either my leg bouncing up and down, or my fingers rubbing each other.

The GOOD things:
I can read at a post-college level, with comprehension. (It's been tested.)
I can spell almost any word, but when I type, its not so good. (LOL)
Living Phone book, my cell's PB is empty, its all in my head.
I can summon energy from nowhere. (of course, that might be just me, idk.)
And of course, I can do anything I want, no matter how unpopular it makes me, because I don't notice the people around me unless I know them.
(This is a good thing when you're a Street Performer, or Playing DDR in the middle of a bunch of drunk morons who are trying to mess you up.[happened today])

Anyway, I said my TwoCents, even if it didn't make much sense, but then again, I think differently than most of you normies. =P

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Old 07-2-2007, 10:56 AM   #48
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Default Re: Why does everyone take Asperger's as a disease?

That made me want to have Asperger's lol.

But seriously, I know someone with Asperger's and I didn't know and couldn't tell that they had it until they told me.
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Old 07-2-2007, 01:52 PM   #49
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That made me want to have Asperger's lol.

But seriously, I know someone with Asperger's and I didn't know and couldn't tell that they had it until they told me.
You wouldn't man, it's really hard to tell unless they have it really strong, there's just little signs to look for. But then again, some of it is just people being their odd little selves, which is the problem with calling it a Disease or Illness.

And btw... someone way back was talking about an increased number of cases... that's a bunch of B.S., "doctors" are just overdiagnosing people nowadays. More money for them. =.=
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Old 07-2-2007, 02:53 PM   #50
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The only bad things I've experienced with Asperger's are:

I can't look anyone in the eye.
I can't have anything touching my throat, or forehead.
I'll never remember your name, unless I see you every day for a week or so.
I can't do math, ever, even addition, unless I REALLY think about it.
Something has to be moving, either my leg bouncing up and down, or my fingers rubbing each other.

The GOOD things:
I can read at a post-college level, with comprehension. (It's been tested.)
I can spell almost any word, but when I type, its not so good. (LOL)
Living Phone book, my cell's PB is empty, its all in my head.
I can summon energy from nowhere. (of course, that might be just me, idk.)
And of course, I can do anything I want, no matter how unpopular it makes me, because I don't notice the people around me unless I know them.
Explain to me how a single one of those can't simply be the result of "I am quite intelligent in certain areas, less so in others, and like every other person, have a few odd hang-ups"

I am a 100% case study for Aspergers, and under no circumstances would I ever, or have I ever, claimed to have it. I'm me. I have no desire to give credit for my successes to a mental disorder just as I have no desire to hide from my failings by blaming them on a mental disorder.
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Old 07-3-2007, 02:48 AM   #51
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I'm also really good at spelling, but not when I type.

I can also fly...but not while anyone is watching.
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Old 07-3-2007, 03:00 AM   #52
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I think I have Aspergers, and I really wish I didn't. I feel like I'm missing a huge part of this world as I couldn't pay attention to a book or video or have a clue what happened in it in a million times of reading or watching it. I just completely don't understand them. I got to where I'd just do integrals and stuff like that when we watched videos in History class, since I knew it was hopeless for me to even try after a while. When I was in English class, I'd just sleep through them, and I could somehow fall asleep in about 5 seconds every time, even though I tried not to. Everyone I talk to must think I'm really weird, since I'm never looking them in the eyes, I don't pick up on any nonverbal communication, and I just feel like a total failure at it, and that I'm really not good at picking up girls, even though they're pretty much all I really care about. I'm really good at math, though, ranked 11th in the nation on the last big math test I took, plus I thought up Calculus III stuff without ever having been taught it when I was in 1st grade. I also feel like I can never stop moving, and that I'm very sensitive to light. I also often feel quite depressed.

Edit: Plus I can't remember people's names worth crap. There was this one girl that I just loved, and still do, and heard her name 3 times in a week, and still didn't know it. I usually try to remember what a name was about 5 minutes after I hear it, and usually can't, and even if I can, I won't in another 5 minutes.
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Old 07-5-2007, 06:09 PM   #53
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i read about aspergers in a book by Nicholas Sparks...i don't know if this is true,but don't people withit have some routine they follow everyday...kinda like OCD?
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All generalisations are false.
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Old 07-8-2007, 07:58 PM   #55
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i read about aspergers in a book by Nicholas Sparks...i don't know if this is true,but don't people withit have some routine they follow everyday...kinda like OCD?
yes, actually, a bunch of people with asperger's syndrome do have a daily routine. for example, my cousin has asperger's syndrome. he has a piece of paper on his door to remind him of what he has to do and when he has to do it.

i think people that take asperger's as a disease are simply ignorant. often times they simply do not know anything about it. if they would take the time to get to know people with asperger's they would realize they are not diseased, just think slightly different from most other people.
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Default Re: Why does everyone take Asperger's as a disease?

It's a syndrome, not a disease...

Syndrome: the pattern of symptoms that characterize or indicate a particular social condition.

Disease: a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.

People who take "Aspergers Syndrome" as a disease, just don't know what words mean.
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Old 07-8-2007, 09:00 PM   #57
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Autism is considered a disorder, as are all conditions within the DSM. Disorder is pejorative.
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Disorder is only perjorative if you attach moral goodness to order.
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You misunderstand virtually the entire nature of the institution of psychology if you don't think that particular element is pervasive in conventional psychological thinking. Psychology has been used as justification for action against political subversives and deviants in general for as long as it has existed. In all fairness Erich Fromm did assert that placing desire for order above desire for life is the most detestable form of pathology, yet the modern institution of Psychology has largely not ceased to be much more than a tool for prevailing social interests.
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So just because as an institution, psychology places that onus on the word doesn't mean that every single person ever automatically does as well.
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