Old 07-25-2006, 03:14 AM   #41
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You people misunderstand me, again. Should I spell it out? I wasn't talking specifically about the main topic of this thread. What I am saying makes perfect sense. Humans are curious, that's one of the main reasons we keep going forward. All I implied, people with your way of thinking won't help with progress directly. Indirectly, most contribute, but that is a given.

The world was flat once upon a time and it was the "truth"...

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And also, If you don't "believe" in evolution, go ahead. I would like this "god" of yours to explain Dinosaur fossils and how they got there when there is no mention of them in your almighty bible.
He'd just pretend he didn't see it and say nothing. Which would be the best course of action. Of course I wouldn't expect miracles. ;0

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I_am_maid do you think that humans will evolve in the future? As far as I know humans havent evolded in the past. 2-3000 years ago our brains and mental capicities were the same as they are today as they will be 2-3000 years into the future. Technology has changed by we havent and wont.
Yes, the usual absolute terms. We throw them out like candy without thinking.

"As far as I know" - this was extremely funny. I do hope you get it.

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Yes, the usual absolute terms. We throw them out like candy without thinking.

"As far as I know" - this was extremely funny. I do hope you get it.
The reason I was saying "as far as I know" was that i wasnt around 2000/3000 years ago to do an IQ test of humans. I know of no evidence which would suggest that peoples brain power was lower back then so "as far as I know" humans brain power has remained constant.

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And also, If you don't "believe" in evolution, go ahead. I would like this "god" of yours to explain Dinosaur fossils and how they got there when there is no mention of them in your almighty bible.
I am a Christan and i do not belive entirely either of the theroies. I belive that God did the create the Earth but I also belive that evolution in some forms do occur in nature. Im not really sure what make more sense in terms of the universe but I belive that there is a God who created it.

I also think that the odds of a livable planet to be randomly made are so slim that we had to be created.

The reason that dinosaurs were not metioned in the bible is that the bible was written by humans after the time of dinosaurs so the humans at the time were obvisouly not aware of dinosaurs. Even though they were told what to write by God, God could not simply get them to write about something that made absolutely no sense to them at the time.
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That's a huge huge long shot. We have actually evolved in the past 2-3000 years, slightly. A lot of people studying the human brain think it is changing EXTREMELY rapidly, faster than ever. There is actually evidence to suggest we will change quite a bit, assuming we don't wipe ourselves out.

Suggesting that we won't is a pretty hard bet to win. Evolution doesn't happen in 2000 years, I'm sorry. But in the past 2 million or so years our brains have gotten bigger, we're less hairy, we're taller ect, and over the past say, 10 million, brains have more than doubled in size.

Technology limits certain facits of what natural selection can do, but who's to say it can't spawn new ones? The psychologists are now having to deal with new and bizarre mental 'problems' and things that were not normal but are now becoming increasingly common - ex, aspergers, and some think it is being caused by technology.


And just fyi, I mean, you're really completely denying all reality if you think the world was 'created by god and he stuck us on here 6000 years ago in his image'. I mean comeon. You could almost be considered mentally dilusional had religion not been such a common place xD Yes there could very well be a God, but no what you believe is not the truth.
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You people misunderstand me, again. Should I spell it out? I wasn't talking specifically about the main topic of this thread. What I am saying makes perfect sense. Humans are curious, that's one of the main reasons we keep going forward. All I implied, people with your way of thinking won't help with progress directly. Indirectly, most contribute, but that is a given.

The world was flat once upon a time and it was the "truth"...
And you don't seem to be reading what I'm writing.

Humans are curious, yes, but that has nothing to do with the OP. By your illogical "open-minded" thinking, progress wouldn't happen because we'd be stuck on ideas that, even though we've proven that they don't exist, are so absurd that you want to hold out for them and consider their possibility. With skepticism is the ONLY way to progress, not with an "open mind".

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All I implied, people with your way of thinking won't help with progress directly.
Back your statement up. You don't get to just say things and pass them off as valid, especially crap like this. I've got thousands of years of history on my side. What about you?

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The world was flat once upon a time and it was the "truth"...
Yes, and we went to space and looked at it, looked at all the physics, and basically proved that belief wrong. We have done the SAME THING with psychic abilities, so YOUR line of thinking says that we should still hold out for the possibility that the Earth is flat, while mine says we should drop that horrible idea like a bad habit and move on to more constructive issues.

In our history, we've had our periods of "open-mindedness"; we've done all the tests to see if psychic abilities exist. Well, guess what: they don't. Thus, the time for that has long since past.

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Nice redirection, there. You WERE talking about the OP in your previous posts, but no matter if you weren't; you're still wrong.

You seem to be listening to pop culture too much, thinking that being "open-minded" is necessarily good. Makes me sick.

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You seem to be listening to pop culture too much, thinking that being "open-minded" is necessarily good. Makes me sick.

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Look, you belive in one thing. I believe in another, that's human. I don't know why my stance makes you sick. Maybe something personal that happened to you. I see your side and aknowledge it but I won't accept it. Doing that would have me throwing away my way of thinking and as I understand it is the same for you. Arguing over this wont solve anything, just maybe make one of the sides angry.
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Look, you belive in one thing. I believe in another, that's human. I don't know why my stance makes you sick. Maybe something personal that happened to you. I see your side and aknowledge it but I won't accept it. Doing that would have me throwing away my way of thinking and as I understand it is the same for you. Arguing over this wont solve anything, just maybe make one of the sides angry.
Your "opinion" would have more validity if it were based in fact instead of wishful thinking. I don't subscribe to the principle that one can conjure up any notion that he pleases about the rational, scientific world and then use the umbrella of "opinion" to protect himself from those who force him to look at facts. Isn't this exactly what you're doing?

The arguments you present have about the same amount of rhetorical weight as plugging your ears and saying "Na-na-na-na-na, I am not listening." You're not citing any evidence to support your claims, unless you consider your imagination to be "evidence."

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Look, you belive in one thing. I believe in another, that's human. I don't know why my stance makes you sick. Maybe something personal that happened to you. I see your side and aknowledge it but I won't accept it. Doing that would have me throwing away my way of thinking and as I understand it is the same for you. Arguing over this wont solve anything, just maybe make one of the sides angry.
Maybe you should defend your opinion rather than hide under intellectual tolerance.
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Your "opinion" would have more validity if it were based in fact instead of wishful thinking. I don't subscribe to the principle that one can conjure up any notion that he pleases about the rational, scientific world and then use the umbrella of "opinion" to protect himself from those who force him to look at facts. Isn't this exactly what you're doing?

The arguments you present have about the same amount of rhetorical weight as plugging your ears and saying "Na-na-na-na-na, I am not listening." You're not citing any evidence to support your claims, unless you consider your imagination to be "evidence."

Faith in itself is beautiful. Faith in spite of fact is saddening.
I don't see how is this relevant at all to what I wrote.

1st we'd need to define what I need to prove. Why are you trying to read lines that I haven't wrote? To prove me wrong? To reaffirm your supposed sense of superiority? To have the last word?

Throwing general statements is easy but if aim is off. It is same as shooting air.

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The reason I was saying "as far as I know" was that i wasnt around 2000/3000 years ago to do an IQ test of humans. I know of no evidence which would suggest that peoples brain power was lower back then so "as far as I know" humans brain power has remained constant.
Evolution takes places over MILLIONS of years, not thousands. And you not knowing of any evidence doesn't mean there is none, it just means you haven't done any research. Most scientists that are studying the human brain will tell you that it IS changing, and at a rather rapid rate though probably not noticeable in your own lifetime. For instance, male brains are starting to think more like female brains, and female brains are starting to think more like a male brain. (this has to do with what type of matter we use when solving problems, grey or green or whatever... females use more grey and vice versa...)

Also, humans are living longer than ever before. Obviously due to nutrition and medical care, but still it is a huge improvement over a few thousand years ago where you lived to 50, had a heart attack or stroke and died.

Humans are less hairy, are getting taller, and progressively smarter. Not based on terms of literacy rates and bs like that, but on the ability to solve problems, the rate at which you can learn new things, etc. All improving slowly but surely. All proven with science.

As for God and the creation of the universe...Who said God didn't create us? I personally believe God caused the Big Bang with the correct seeming randomness of the explosion that eventually formed the entire universe we see around us. He is God afterall, he would be smart enough to do such a thing. To think he wouldn't is plain stupid.

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Dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible, they are just called Dragons. The term Dragon was used LONG before Dinosaur was.
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If you say so Mystik I just dont see the change enough for us to be able to devolpe powers of telekensis or something stupid like that.
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There is a reason that we aren't pushing forward in research of psychic abilities, because they don't exist. There is no reason we should believe they exist, the whole premise of being a psychic is trying so hard to change something that you trick yourself into believing you were the cause for it.

Same goes for many things, the human mind is powerful, but it exerts the most power over itself.

Personally, I've managed to make myself remember things incorrectly simply because I wanted to remember them that way. Then when I checked my facts I realized that I was very wrong. There are a few things I still am unsure about, because of this.
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If you say so Mystik I just dont see the change enough for us to be able to devolpe powers of telekensis or something stupid like that.
What does intellegence have to do with telekenisis? I already stated in an earlier post that all psychic stuff was BS.
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i believe the mind has more power than we give it credit for, but astrology is just stupid
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Agreeing to Talisman, 75% of what he said was proven right in the university research both in the american university and Brazilian university of Parapsychology. yett like zildjian said, it is wether you belive it or not. It is all in your mind, it isn`t illusion, it is your mind`s power, it`s a energy that is around your body, like your body heat. that energy can be developed by mind training such as meditation. Thats why psychic people are so calm they practice meditation, it cleans your mind. also helps with you focusing on other things like levitation and all that.
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Evolution takes places over MILLIONS of years, not thousands
It depends on the pressures being applied on the population, and what kind of evolution you're talking about. Microevolution can happen MUCH faster than that. In one generation actually.

Actually, evolution never stops. It's always happening, but I mean, if you're waiting for us to turn into little green men with big heads then yes you'll have to wait a few million years.

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This is true. That doesn't mean it's for the better, though (relatively speaking).

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Where did you read this?

Also, males have 10 times more grey matter than women do. Women have 5 times as much white matter.

(Fun fact; we know grey matter is used for problem solving but arn't sure what white matter does. Girls better hope whatever it's doing is two times better than that grey matter XD )
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Probably true, true and arguable. There is evidence to show intelligence is declining, actually, and that the average IQ is going down (and rather quickly at that). It's pretty simple stuff to understand too...dumb people are reproducing more than smart people are, which is causing a massive downward shift in average intelligence.
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Personally I believe that in a few hundred or thousand years science will be denied as just another attempt to explain the unexplained, my reason for believing this (and please stop a second to think about this) is that a long time ago religion was used to explain the unexplained, and it was used worldwide by so many peoples and it was ignorantly defended the same way that everyone including most of you are defending science, and of course once science is massly disregarded, people , not learning from past mistakes, will of course ignorantly pick up something else to explain the unexplained, and will consider people who still beleive in science and religion to be ignorant and stupid,. ps i am no way trying to insult anybody or call people who beleive in religion and science, because i'd be insulting myself

i just brought that up to stop the pigheaded, back and forth quarreling,

now about the real topic "psychokinesis". Imagine someone somehow discovers/develops/ or "whatever" finds out a way to manipulate the theoritical 4th dimension (which i personally beleive in). for this person it should be technically easy to manipulate objects ,with what appears to us to be with their "mind". If you dont know how this would work read up on 4th dimension before you argue it (ps its all theoritical so dont bite my head off). Now the reason we dont know any person that could do this, can be many. First and main reason being the person doesn't care what we think, theoritically he'd be able to play us like a person draws on paper(2nd dimension), so what satisfaction would he have in showing us his/her "powers" , or winning a billion dollars? when he can just make it himself. A second reason could be because they could not handle that kind of stress on themselves and just commit suicide (reason im very vague on that reason is because its just a vague thought). Another reason could be that they just leave, and dont want to come back, eg. "ascend to a higher plane of existance", could be a way of saying it.

Just a personal thought: I believe god could very well be a being of forth dimension.

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Personally I believe that in a few hundred or thousand years science will be denied as just another attempt to explain the unexplained, my reason for believing this (and please stop a second to think about this) is that a long time ago religion was used to explain the unexplained, and it was used worldwide by so many peoples and it was ignorantly defended the same way that everyone including most of you are defending science, and of course once science is massly disregarded, people , not learning from past mistakes, will of course ignorantly pick up something else to explain the unexplained, and will consider people who still beleive in science and religion to be ignorant and stupid,. ps i am no way trying to insult anybody or call people who beleive in religion and science, because i'd be insulting myself
Don't bump old topics, especially not with stuff like this... science isn't a thing that can be disregarded. It is not a set of rules, it just describes what we think the rules and workings of the universe are. And if a particular thing turns out to be wrong, science and our understanding, just evolves.

Also if you hadn't realised, religion hasn't been denied as just an old fashioned way to explain the unexplained, except by a save few. By far the majority of the world still has a religion
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