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It's not that its impossible, we just haven't proved that it is. So saying either is incorrect.
Saying that it's impossible is more correct than saying that it's possible, since the burden of proof for new sceintific phenomena rests on those who claim of its existance.

By the way, there is no such thing as "artificial evolution." Evolution is by its very definition a natural process.
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It's not that its impossible, we just haven't proved that it is. So saying either is incorrect. Humans may be capable of such things but lack the knowledge how to train their minds to be able to do something like that or we may incapable of it because our brains do not have the capacity or a function. Evolution may throw surprises in the distant or short term future for all we know. I consider evolution, both artificial and natural.
You're right; nobody can prove it impossible. However, besides the fact that conservatism basically rules out all possibility, every single shred of evidence we have ever gathered points to impossibility. This is as close to proven as we can possibly get.

Believing in psychokinesis is tantamount to believing that the Holocaust never occurred. Sure, we can't prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt, but you'd have to be an intellectually vapid moron to cast out all reason and believe in these things.

Go try to build a perpetual motion machine or something.

And quit watching X-men if you seriously think that evolution will allow us to break the physical laws of the universe, especially when the physical laws of the universe are the very things that cause evolution to happen.

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By the way, there is no such thing as "artificial evolution." Evolution is by its very definition a natural process.
I am well aware of that. Call it something else, the fact doesn't change that it achieves similar thing. Cloning, playing with DNA, genes comes to mind and the fact that field is growing exponentially. I wouldn't be surprised to see something in 50 years, we would only see in Sci-fi books during our time.

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You're right; nobody can prove it impossible. However, besides the fact that conservatism basically rules out all possibility, every single shred of evidence we have ever gathered points to impossibility. This is as close to proven as we can possibly get.

Believing in psychokinesis is tantamount to believing that the Holocaust never occurred. Sure, we can't prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt, but you'd have to be an intellectually vapid moron to cast out all reason and believe in these things.

Go try to build a perpetual motion machine or something.

And quit watching X-men if you seriously think that evolution will allow us to break the physical laws of the universe, especially when the physical laws of the universe are the very things that cause evolution to happen.

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I am open to all possibilities and no, I don't watch X-men. So don't you worry about that. Being narrow-minded helps less as opposed to the opposite.

You say impossible, even cite known laws of physics(which is the tip of the iceberg) you discount the sea of unknowns. I say I am open to the possibility that it is possible. Which way of thinking will help more with progress?

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What do you think evolution has to do with psychokinesis?
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So you are saying that just because we havent proven it impossible (though many say we have) we should assume it is? So you're saying O should assume that aliens live in the center of the earth, and if I really wanted to I could suddenly turn myself into a chair, just because we have not proven that we can't?
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So you are saying that just because we havent proven it impossible (though many say we have) we should assume it is? So you're saying O should assume that aliens live in the center of the earth, and if I really wanted to I could suddenly turn myself into a chair, just because we have not proven that we can't?
I am just saying, even though it is unlikely we shouldn't close our minds completely. I thought I made it clear in my posts, or are you just reading whatever meaning is convenient for you that wins an argument? I find this human trait quite hilarious and limiting.
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I am open to all possibilities and no, I don't watch X-men. So don't you worry about that. Being narrow-minded helps less as opposed to the opposite.
Wrong. There is a time for being open to possibilities, but this is not one of them. To believe is intellectual dishonesty, and considering the possibility is just as bad. Once there is a shred of evidence for it, THEN you can open your mind, but open-mindedness with respect to pseudoscience has not one iota of virtue and is worthy of nothing more than contempt.

To believe that fundamental particles are made up of elves is stupid, no? Do I have to consider the possibility? Not at all. If the world turns around and shocks us and there arises evidence of elf-like particles, then you can be open to possibilities, but until then, you're just a moron. There is nothing different from that belief and believing in psychokinesis. Just because someone says it's possible means absolutely nothing. Once again, bolded for emphasis: Absolutely Nothing.

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You say impossible, even cite known laws of physics(which is the tip of the iceberg) you discount the sea of unknowns. I say I am open to the possibility that it is possible. Which way of thinking will help more with progress?
I will cite thousands of years of human history to show you that my line of thinking leads to progress while yours leads to nothing but waste. For one example out of many, long ago, it was thought that everything had properties of the four elements: fire, earth, wind, and water. Years of science and study were rendered worthless only when skepticism entered and set scientists straight.

Millions of dollars are wasted on clever thieves and con artists like Uri Geller, Sylvia Browne, and John Edward. Nothing good can come of open-mindedness to their claims, so don't even try to say that it applies here. Take your pseudo-altruisms and moral righteousness somewhere else, because it has no room in this discussion.

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Can someone find this for me? I swore I read something like this somewhere but I can't find it.

A scientist did an experiment that showed when people walk into rooms made of granite objects can start moving on their own.

I'm not claiming this as proof of anything since I can't find it. But I'd throw that out.
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Can someone find this for me? I swore I read something like this somewhere but I can't find it.

A scientist did an experiment that showed when people walk into rooms made of granite objects can start moving on their own.

I'm not claiming this as proof of anything since I can't find it. But I'd throw that out.
Perhaps it's the granite the room's made out of?
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I_am_maid do you think that humans will evolve in the future? As far as I know humans havent evolded in the past. 2-3000 years ago our brains and mental capicities were the same as they are today as they will be 2-3000 years into the future. Technology has changed by we havent and wont.
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Evolution is driven by enhanced reproductive success for some alleles compared to others. Thus, after millions of years, we'll all be hot.
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Evolution is a stupid thoery.
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No, it's not. In fact, it's so good of an idea that it's been given the highest title of theory, which basically means that you'd have to be a complete idiot to not believe it.

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I'm a Christian and a evolutionist christian would just be a walking contradiction.
And I don't think the earth is bilios of years old, and I also do not belive in the big bang.


Edit: I am not saying anyone who belives in it stupid, what I am saying is that anyone can believe in whatever they want to believe in.

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Guess what. It's not, and I don't appreciate people like you perpetuating this idea, because it's only further separating a rift between science and religion that shouldn't exist in the first place.

Science deals with the testable.
Religion deals with the untestable.

As you can see, there is no overlap, so a Christian evolutionist (mind you, I hate using the term evolutionist because it implies a distinction which I'm arguing shouldn't exist) is not a contradiction.

I'm a Christian. I believe God created the heavens and the Earth and all that walks on it, yet I have no problem whatsoever reconciling that with evolution as coexisting processes.

Being a Christian doesn't mean I have to suspend my rational thinking to believe in evolution. God tells us to revere and honor our bodies and minds, yet you insist on dismissing such a wonderful, capable, and expansive mind by believing in a young Earth? Come on, we have human brains for a reason.

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The human body can do amazing things if you set your mind to it, the brain controls the body. But the brain has no influence whatsoever on anything outside of itself or the body.
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well, the reason why i dont believe in evolution is that I believe that God created all things the way they are meant to be. Not that they evolve from something else.
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well, the reason why i dont believe in evolution is that I believe that God created all things the way they are meant to be. Not that they evolve from something else.
Wouldn't it be such an amazingly clever trick if God was smart enough not to create things as they are, but to create things that would eventually create all life he envisioned?
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Zild, you already know how I feel on Astrology, so I'll let that go, but...

You can't "channel energy" with your mind. Your anecdote proves nothing. Is it any wonder to you why the other experiments are too random or rare?

People have been "warping metal with their mind" for ages, and they have no supernatural powers. Take Uri Geller for a good example. They're magicians, not psychics. And you believe it because you saw it on TV? So Criss Angel can really levitate, too?

If you actually can do these things, hell, if ANYONE can actually do these things, then there's one million dollars just WAITING for you to claim it.

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Exactly, the fact someone is born during a certain time of the year does not mean they will act a certain way. "I am Aries, so I must hate Libra". Astrology has no basis, and Criss Angel just uses Camera tricks. His show is edited over and over before it even goes on air, if he can really do these things, he would have won 1 million dollars, offered by James Randi.

And also, If you don't "believe" in evolution, go ahead. I would like this "god" of yours to explain Dinosaur fossils and how they got there when there is no mention of them in your almighty bible.

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Well, I dont believe in phsycokinesis or magic, but Chris Angel is a genius.
Some of his tricks are not edited though, he just distracts the person with one hand and makes it look like something else. Its really quite amazing.
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