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You can't really define that it's right not to talk about what you can't define, now can you? :P
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![]() Of course it isn't going to lead anywhere. Like almost every thread in this forum. Deal with it. I agree with your last post. I really dislike violence and the caveman attitude towards life and lessons XD
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So if you like to dodge the topic at hand, you can indeed define that it's right not to talk about what you can't define? o_O lol -fs |
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Wrong: Crashing planes into towers, killing thousands of innocent civilians.
Wrong: Forcing reforms upon an elder country who's values, politics, and religion are- though backwards in our eyes- are far more set in than ours. Regardless of how much of Iraq/The Middle East in general we destroy, we can quite easily brush it off as damage control- the less funding, and willing souls they have, the less chance acts of terrorism will hit us. It's much more straight-foward than many of you seem to think. A.) We're attacked by a country. B.) In retaliation we wage 'war' on that country, and smaller countries that share links, and similar outlooks. It's not going to end well for the Middle East, but the majority have only themselves to blame. And the majority is greater than the minority. rofl. |
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Retaliation doesn't solve anything. Apparently you didn't read my post.
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This doesn't even ****ING touch ethics. This is instinct. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_feedback shut the **** up, get off my internet, idiot. By the way- on the effectiveness of Ghandi's actions. Look at what great shape India and South Africa are in now, non-violence is the way. Last edited by deltro300111; 07-7-2006 at 05:23 AM.. |
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Btw Deltro, whether I agree with you with my personal opinion is to stay reserved. I'm just doing this for the sake of disagreeing with somebody.
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I wasn't even talking about you, really. That was more or less a joke in support of what you were saying directed at T0rajir0u. Instead of contributing he just jumped on the 'oh well we can't define it so lets not talk about it' bandwagon. ANYWAY
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This is an extremely vauge question. Realize, that in the Bible it talks about fighting. I think that it says something like, "If someone hits you in one cheek, turn the other cheek so he can hit you on that one." Although it has a lot of wars in the Bible. I think that this question could be answered in hundreds of different ways.
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rofl deltro you obviously don't know **** about the history of the Indian revolutionary movement.
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As for "negative feedback", do you even know what that means? You might want to try actually knowing something about a topic before linking to a wikipedia article about it - otherwise it might turn out to be totally unrelated to what you're talking about and make you look like a moron. Let's quote from that wikipedia article you just linked:Quote:
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**** THAT! BE A REBEL! KEEP YOUR HAND THERE! RETALIATION SOLVES NOTHING! Quote:
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The answer to questions like these actually depends a lot on what people think the answer is.
If an entire society is willing to live with, say, genocide to protect their freedom and security, then from the point of view of that society, violence against those whom they perceive as enemies is entirely justified. Regardless of whether you (hypothetically, you aren't in this hypothetical society) think they're doing the right thing or not, they think they're doing the right thing, they can live with it, and it will help them survive. The point is that people in this society would be less likely to want to work toward a peaceful solution, so if they tried, it would have a worse chance of working. If an entire society is unwilling to live with genocide, then from the point of view of that society, violence of that kind isn't justified. A society like that would try harder to come to a more peaceful conclusion. The people in this society will try harder, so they'll have a better chance of maintaining peace without the need for war. Everything depends on context. There isn't just one answer to questions like these.
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The human mind is structured to allow us to curb instinct to a degree to work in groups. Humans are social animals. Our close relatives are also social animals. The entire concept of a social animal is the idea that you have a group of members of your species with whom you closely associate. Ties within the group are strengthened by the birth of new members, by common experiences, and so forth. Each member of the group helps out other members of the group so that their individual chances of survival increase. (If a member is sick or injured, the rest take on extra food-gathering to provide for them; children get the attention of multiple adults; this should all be obvious from experience) A lot of this is contrary to base instinct, but there are other instincts, as well as the faculty of learning, that allow this concept to work very well. Generally, conflict within a social group is rare (and if it occurs, it is to establish a better hierarchy), but conflict between groups is very common, since winning a conflict with another group allows you access to more food, possibly more mates, etc. It raises the survival of your group, and hence it's a common activity of social animals. Then there are two issues at stake here: 1) Whether it works better today to define our social groups in terms of nationality, etc., or whether the entire human race has become one group, worthy of mutual protection. 2) Whether conflict within a group is justified.
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Another thing that's important to note is that in a group of the size prescribed by our "natural" tendencies (i.e. a tribe or band of 50-200 people), serious intra-group tensions are almost nonexistent. But when your group is a nation of hundreds of millions of people, or a global society of billions, there are vastly more tensions, especially since you don't know even a tiny fraction of the people in your group. Another reason why, in today's interconnected world, where social groups become ever larger, we must look beyond our instincts in order to survive.
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In my opinion. I think wars are nessasary.
Sure they sometimes might be meaningless... (like the jihad from al quaida and stuff) But to give country peace you need to fight sometimes. Losing patriotism is the key to defeat. It happened to Rome, the Byzantine empire. and it could happen to us.. (maybe) Now is the time to heavily arm ourselves since we are fighting a needless war right now. (cough Iraq war cough) All the president wants now deals with oil. (ex. Syriana) If it was for 9/11 then we would still be chasing al quaida. |
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