Old 05-23-2006, 06:31 PM   #21
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uh, it kind of is a big deal. This is a new form of water he's discovered. And it is a HUGE deal to figure out how to harness the energy of water for combustion. Scientists had given up on that for years.

Unless you were being sarcastic? Because statements like this contradict themselves:

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But it really isn't a big deal. All he's done is find an efficient way transform electrical energy into fire, in an evironmentally safe way, using water, the most common molecule on earth!
yeah ok maybe that is sarcasm then.


EDIT: the point reach is that nothing is free... obviously.
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Old 05-23-2006, 06:47 PM   #22
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Default Re: The power of HHO?

If you actually to some critical thinking, and know about energy transformations, it doesn't contradict itself.



And it isn't water.

It's another molecule that can be easily made with water and electricity, and burned to release stored energy, and give water as the end product. Like a rechargeable battery.


I also request a short ban for you for your inablility to put my name in that quote.
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No... quit being dense. You say first that it's not a big deal. Then you go "yeah they're just doing blah blah blat" (which I understand completely)... except that what they're doing IS a big deal. Just because you understand the energetics doesn't mean it isn't important. This is huge.

Also, if you actually read the paper, you'd notice that they DO make the claim that it is a different form of water (the HHO part of the gas, that is).
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Old 05-23-2006, 06:57 PM   #24
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It's only huge once people actually completely drop non-renewable energy sources for electricity and learn to use the sun. Sorry buddy. =\


The paper knows nothing. Journalists did not necessarily pass chemistry.
If a well-respected chemist said it, then it would be different.
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Ha take that Japan!

ps. I almost peed myself from the sexyness of the HH0.
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America: where the best scienists are losers that invent things in their garages.


You peed yourself. Nice.
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it will be funny in 500 years when we run out of water.

And the lady said it was one of the most abundant materials in the universe.. lol no.
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it will be funny in 500 years when we run out of water.

And the lady said it was one of the most abundant materials in the universe.. lol no.
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Did I not mention a analogy to charging a battery?

You get the water that you used to make the "HHO" back when you burn it.
Just like you get your dead battery back after you use it.

And then you reuse it. =)
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the SCIENTIFIC paper. Written by a scientist. The .pdf I posted.

And this blows solar power out of the water (no pun intended). Not only is solar power relatively quite expensive and less efficient, it's also region-dependent. It boggles my mind that you don't realize what an advance this represents.

Not to mention the fact that it's a form of matter with a comlpetely different kind of bond never before seen.
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Different form of matter than H2O = different molecule as far as I'm concerned.


Solar panels are already efficient.

Room really isn't a problem. Just think of all the surface area we have from rooftops.

Region-dependent my arse. There's something called WIRES.
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Yeah... how can 2 H and 1 O come together in any way other than the normal H2O molecule? I thought there was something to do with hydrogen bonds or something that made sure they bonded in only one way.
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Hydrogen bonds have nothing to do with a single water molecule, but with more than one, like surface tension.

And other things... like DNA nucleotides, peptide chains folding...


Quit looking at me. I take chemistry next year. >_>
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No... that's not really what I meant.

H2O looks like this, right?



Would this molecule look like this then?


What I meant was that I thought that 2H and 1O could only combine in the way H2O does (top picture) and not in the way that the second picture shows.
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Yeah. 2nd, that outlying hydrogen, I don't think that would work too good. =S

Read ^ post >_>
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sheesh, if you people would actually read the pdf I posted things would be so much more clear. The hydrogen orbitals, instead of being spherical, are toroidal and bond magnetically. It only makes sense if you look at it.

Also, I saw a graph in a national geographic article with all the different kinds of energy (coal, nuclear, solar, wind, etc) plotting cost per kilowatt hour, and coal was still the most efficient. Solar was actually the least efficient, if I remember correctly. I'll try to find the article for you, but I don't know if it's online.
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Wow. I heard about this weeks ago, but since I didn't have sound at the time I couldn't watch the video. I had heard other people claiming it was merely the burning of hydrogen produced by electrolysis, so I dismissed it as being unscientific reporting.

However, I read that paper. I still think it's too good to be true, but time will tell, as it's already in peer-reviewed journals. The scientific process threw out cold fusion, so we'll just wait here, but from what the paper says, other people have confirmed its anomolous nature and shown that it can't be water and it can't just be Hydrogen and Oxygen. Skepticism is what we need right now, anyway.

So, talisman, that idea does seem plausible, but it's my no means confirmed; the paper even states that that's just a hypothesis designed to just be an alternative, since nobody actually knows what's going on with it, molecularly.

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Of course, their proposed magnecular thing is just a proposal right now. But the data is very strong... there's something besides just hydrogen and oxygen gas and what you would expect in this mixture.

The fact that he's providing samples of his gas to anyone who wants it is promising as well.

Also, I would like to see someone demonstrate that pure Brown's gas wouldn't do the same thing as this gas does, just to lay that theory to rest.
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Well, you're mixing two ideas about it. There IS something besides just plain water, Hydrogen, and Oxygen in it, that is certain, but that doesn't at all prove the "magnecule" idea.

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I can understand that they wouldn't include a full explanation on the website for copyright reasons, but it's a habit of mine to remain skeptical until I see some hard scientific evidence.

Afrobean: I don't think the name HHO refers to a structural difference. It refers to the composition of the gas.
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right guido, that's actually what I meant although I phrased it poorly. Something is going on in the mixture that's funny, and this is one explanation for it.

and dude above me, HHO does refer to a structural difference. Read the pdf I posted.
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