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I'll do what I can to try and answer them, Z3r, but you'd be best off asking a biologist. If it had significant holes it wouldn't be a scientific theory, but it is.
Still, though, the Second Law governs all; it's inescapable, so my proposition is only a logical following from that. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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For example, you can sit there and thing, and then think back through your train of thought to see why you thought of what you did. Everything you do follows patterns like that. |
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I agree with what you say Rai, as I've always thought that way too. But I just wonder that if everything in my life were to happen exactly as it did with the only factor not being 100% controlled is myself, would I (not myself exactly, but a copy) make EVERY single choice the same as I did this time around. If so... I can't help but be a little depressed when I think about that. I would like to believe, that to at least some extents, we have some choice.
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This thread has really gone of topic. It's about Thorax's dumbass idea on alternate universes and now we are discussing evolution and the meaning of life.
I don't really see where a alternative universe would be it kind of hurts my head just thinking about it
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To assume purpose is to humanize the universe, and the universe is not human. Human intuition sees the progression of cause and effect, applies a certain level emotion to the natural laws, and then derives some desire for a purpose out of it, which is where the search for meaning comes from. A simple example is that consider a baby just walking, with a developing intuition. Throw a ball across a room and the baby will stumble and chase it. 24 months later, the same child in the same situation will stop to see where the ball came from first. Our minds quickly mature to understand this concept of cause followed by effect. The more developed intuition becomes, the farther it will draw lines of cause and effect. When it comes to ulimately ambiguous endings, it comes to the desire for a purpose. The mind doesn't truly mature until it realizes that purpose was never inherent. We want some overarching cause and some overarching effect to make things seem "complete" for us because we cannot fathom anything that functions outside cause and effect. When we cannot draw a line we must not then break Occam's Razor (which I'm pretty positive is general knowledge in CT) and make unnecessary assumptions. The simplest explanation is that there is no purpose, and no meaning. Purposes aren't necessary. Meanings aren't inherent. These are things fabricated by human intuition. Nonetheless, I agree that according to the way things seem that the primary end result of all complex systems is destroyed energy gradients, but I must disagree that it is their "purpose".
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Suprisingly that made alot of sense to me. I think you should write a book of some sort.
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A wonderful read on this subject is http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/horror.html |
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And while I could bring up the Quantam Physics argument, but it really doesn't seem worth it. Somehow, the problem with the argument is the seeming paradox. These arguments are just as plausible as religious ones... you can hold the same conviction with either, and create a logical 'wtfpwnt' towards either. Essentially, what I'm saying, is while this may lack the same cliche religious ideas as does most religions, it still is, essentially, religion. Perhaps I'm being unclear... if needed, I'll try to elaborate. Let me ask you, regardless of whether we know that information in the article or not, we're bound to act the same way... it leads me to wonder, we're going to get (seemingly) the same results even if we lived in a truly 'free' reality... so what difference does it make? It doesn't matter, life is perception, blah blah blah. Again, leading me back to Hedonism... I like Family Guy. If you logically explain to me how said Family Guy does not exist, I'll ignore you and go watch Family Guy. But the article... I'm still trying to decypher WHY he would write it (please don't say he was predetermined to write it)... seems like a Swiftian style... Philosophy lol. Still, good stuff Rai. |
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So Rai you are saying that we have no free will what so ever.
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If anything, of an alternate universe, it would take so much particle expansion to have enough power to rip the space time continuum into shreads. Therefore, if it was to destroy time itself, we can all kiss our asses goodbye.
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How did alternate universes turn into if heaven and hell existed, the purpose of a person's existence, then to humans being entirely predictable (which I firmly support as well), and then to what the illusion of time is?
About alternate universes, if they did even exist, we would have no way of knowing exactly what it is. If it affects us in the way that we could tell anything about it, then it wouldn't be an alternate universe. So let your imagination make up the craziest, most bizare theories about what an alternate universe would be like. I'll see you later. I think what you did is categorize all the possiblities thorax.
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So that article was saying there is time, we just kind of invented a way to measure it.
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