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Old 12-13-2006, 06:59 PM   #141
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People may deny it all they want, but I'm pretty sure everyone's afraid of death. Of course, it may cross one's mind and they may think, "Yeah, death doesn't seem all that bad." But if that person were to be in the process of dying, whether it be quick, like blood loss, or slow, like cancer, they'd probably be thinking or saying, "I don't wanna die!!11 D:"
With that said. I'd like to talk to someone that died during an emergency operation, and then revived. They'd probably have some sort of knowledge of what they were doing when they were dead. If they don't have this knowledge, then all the people say that death is blank, they're probably the most accurate.
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Old 12-15-2006, 02:26 PM   #142
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I've been thinking about this recently, and come to this conclusion: the only thing that really makes any sense, at least to me, is reincarnation.

Why is this? Because, quite simply, we don't experience time when we aren't conscious. When you wake up from a dreamless sleep, you haven't got a clue how much time has passed if you don't have any way of figuring it out otherwise. 20 years is the same thing as an hour when you aren't conscious--it's all zero.

Also, there is some combination of the fundamental building blocks of nature that causes consciousness. Nothing else makes sense to me. When we are made unconscious for any reason, our consciousness can't manifest itself, and we don't feel time. So, I believe that after we die, whatever building blocks form our consciousness simply float around until they reform that consciousness, and it has a vessel that can experience time--in other words, the consciousness will be reincarnated. Assuming time is infinite, and this has a greater than zero chance of happening, it WILL happen--that consciousness will find its way into a situation where it can feel time. And it makes no sense for time to end or for there to be a zero chance of the consciousness forming, because that would create a situation that is mathematical nonsense -- you would experience zero time an infinity of times, which is 0^infinity, a nonsense expression without meaning. I don't think that this is the way the universe works, myself. At least, I hope it's not.

Which is why the only thing that makes sense to me is reincarnation. Reincarnation on Earth? Doubtful. But reincarnation somewhere, at some time, which you would experience immediately after death even though it was an astronomical number of years later? I don't see why not.
I find tying the concept of infinite time and the atom-vaporizing theory tie together quite well.

Assuming that time is infinite, and consciousness would return to you when the exact order of atoms were to reform themselves, then reincarnation is completely true. Since we are talking about an infinite timeline, anything that can happen will happen - and infinite times.

This means that sometime, likely after an unfathomable amount of years, an exact duplicate of your body will form somewhere and your consciousness will be placed in it. After you die, you wait that ridiculously long wait again, and then you will be placed in it.

However, this brings forth an interesting question... what happens when two exact copies of one body exist at the same time? You may say "oh that's never going to happen", but if time is infinite, it will.

WHAT THEN?
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Old 12-29-2006, 03:19 PM   #143
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I get the feeling that I'm the only person that is as scared as death as much as I am. Well, not so much death as what comes afterwards. Basically, 2 things could happen. Either we go on living forever (heaven, hell, reincarnation, whatever) or we die and are dead and there's nothing. The problem for me is not the uncertainty of whether it will be eternity or completely nothing, but the fact that both of those outcomes scare me ****less.

Why? Probably because I can't imagine either of them. I mean, when I try to imagine nothing I just close my eyes and see black and somewhere in my head I think "k, that's nothing, just black." But nothing wouldn't even be that. It'd be...NOTHING. I can't imagine just not even existing anymore. It scares me the most.

Eternity though, that still scares me. Most people hear eternity and think "oh gee that'd be nice" but who actually sits and tries to think about it? Maybe I'm just weird but the thought of living forever and never stopping scares me. I mean, it seems like the thing to do, but there never being an end to my life is just weird. It seems like it should end but I don't want it to.

Mostly, I just wanna know if there's anybody else who thinks like I do. Is anybody else scared of eternity and nothingness?
Hmm, interesting question. I guess we all at one point fear death and everything about. Or maybe, just the mere word can strike fear in our hearts. But, the answer to why is clear: Humans, being as flaw-filled and confused fear terms that are not known to us, for we think if we know what actually happens during death we have no reason to fear it. But since it is said to be 'impossible' to talk to the dead and figure out what happens in the after life (which I still object to being false, ghosts are cool), we continue to ponder on the possible scenarios. Will we see a white light? God? Or a red light and a room filled with flame? The best thing to do in my opinion is to just forget about this whole death concept and move on to what's really happening; our lives.
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Old 12-29-2006, 03:39 PM   #144
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Why? Probably because I can't imagine either of them. I mean, when I try to imagine nothing I just close my eyes and see black and somewhere in my head I think "k, that's nothing, just black." But nothing wouldn't even be that. It'd be...NOTHING. I can't imagine just not even existing anymore. It scares me the most.
There is still something, and that something just is not you. You are thinking from your own percpective, think generally. Not scary It is as if there is a cloud, and than an hour later there is no cloud. Big whoop right? Same thing with lives, although your life means something to other people.
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Old 12-29-2006, 05:56 PM   #145
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I took the time reading the entire thread, because I am fond of these kinds of discussions, especially excluding silly people who don't take it seriously.

I agree with a few people here. Most of all, I agree with Shash's theory of reincarnation. Basically, what he said was just as good of a belief as any other argument i've heard on the topic.

To add (this is kind of off-topic, but not really), when I was in my young years (around my first year when I began to talk as a young child), my parents would walk me along in the street, and I would name the model of every car that we passed. Mind you, I was only beginning to communicate verbally, but I was already naming car models right and left. My parents contacted a research facility, where they were told that
"... We have to look at it from a reincarnation point of view, because there's no other explanation as to how your son can possibly know this..."
However, my parents were not satisfied, but they left it and just continued to be amazed at how a small child does not know to multiply but knows mostly every car model he sees. What amazes me most, is that when I walk in the street today, I don't know a single car model.

What's the reasonable explanation here?
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Old 01-4-2007, 03:46 PM   #146
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I totally get what EB is saying. I mean, i saw this movie once (an old movie, like maybe late 80's early 90's, but i dont remember what movie it is) where this one guy died and they showed him in the afterlife and all it was was like a spirit with no defined shape with his head that was just floating around with a bunch of other spirits in one big room of some type, and yeah idk i just remember seeing that a long time ago. Anyway, i think the same things. I mean, if all of this heaven and after-life stuff is true, then dying should be a great experience since we will supposedly be 100% healthy all the time and never have to worry about anything else in the world. The only thing about that is you can't see all your loved ones anymore, unless they're dead with you. A friend of mine died about a year ago with a skateboard/carcrash accident. I always want to ask him what it's like to be dead, cause i'm curious. I mean, what if we die and then its just pitch black forever? Like, in our mind we still exist, but we can't see, feel, or touch anything, we can just think to ourselves and be like "where the hell am i?" forever. I don't know i just want to know what it's like, but be able to tell everyone else about it at the same time lol. They should do an experiment where these scientists/doctors could safely kill someone and revive them just as easily as they killed them. It sounds stupid, but if it works, they could possibly try to explain what it's like to be dead, if they can remember. It'd be interesting.

Yeah, its 8 in the morning, leave me alone.

i disagree with the idea of eternity being a good thing. sure, you'd be healthy forever, there would be no problems, and all that jazz, but apart from not being able to be with your living loved ones, the afterlife would be boring as hell. think about it; tenthousand years after you die, you get a paper cut from something (assuming there will be paper) and you don't feel a thing. it heals automatically. unless of course there is absolutely nothing you could hurt yourself on, in which case it would be boring asyway because there would be nothing but clouds (even that) and other souls. you'd be left with an eternity of nothing to do besides be dead with other people.
that would be the reason why i don't really like the idea of heaven. it's too perfect for me. (not bashing you lovely Christians out there! if that's your idea, go for it.)
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Old 01-4-2007, 05:20 PM   #147
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lol as a christian Ive thought that before, but as humans we could never truly grasp the concept of eternity I dont think so its hard to imagine being in eternity and never getting bored
But in the biblical heaven, there is only joy. Therefore there is no boredom...you cant be bored, because your joyful. And you cant get bored of being joyful, because that would be unjoyful, and you cant be unjoyful...
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Old 01-4-2007, 05:26 PM   #148
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lol as a christian Ive thought that before, but as humans we could never truly grasp the concept of eternity I dont think so its hard to imagine being in eternity and never getting bored
But in the biblical heaven, there is only joy. Therefore there is no boredom...you cant be bored, because your joyful. And you cant get bored of being joyful, because that would be unjoyful, and you cant be unjoyful...
What do you actually do in Heaven is what I want to know. I sometimes wonder if all the stuff you loved in life is there in heaven for you. Like you can enjoy all the things you did in life but in Heaven. I just can't imagine being joyful about nothing really except the fact that your dead.
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Old 01-4-2007, 07:38 PM   #149
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It says somewhere in the bible I think, that you just worship God for eternity... And I from some of the Godly raves that I've been too that that is pretty sweet. And you think it might get boring after 10,000 years... well it doesn't...because there is no boredom in heaven, only joy :P
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One thing ive learned is that there is no reason to fear death because its going to happen whether you like it or not. What you should primarily be concerned about is how you spend your time here alive.
Everyone has their own idea about what happens in the afterlife or if there even is one for that matter. Its pointless to argue about it because no one can prove anything, and why would it matter if you were right anyway? The only reason to know what happens after death is to know how righteously or unrighteously to live your life. The pure and simple fact is that no matter what happens, we should still be kind and live our life to its fullest by enjoying it and by helping others enjoy it by your attitude (and/or service to them).
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Old 01-5-2007, 02:02 AM   #151
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I took the time reading the entire thread, because I am fond of these kinds of discussions, especially excluding silly people who don't take it seriously.

I agree with a few people here. Most of all, I agree with Shash's theory of reincarnation. Basically, what he said was just as good of a belief as any other argument i've heard on the topic.

To add (this is kind of off-topic, but not really), when I was in my young years (around my first year when I began to talk as a young child), my parents would walk me along in the street, and I would name the model of every car that we passed. Mind you, I was only beginning to communicate verbally, but I was already naming car models right and left. My parents contacted a research facility, where they were told that
"... We have to look at it from a reincarnation point of view, because there's no other explanation as to how your son can possibly know this..."
However, my parents were not satisfied, but they left it and just continued to be amazed at how a small child does not know to multiply but knows mostly every car model he sees. What amazes me most, is that when I walk in the street today, I don't know a single car model.

What's the reasonable explanation here?
Hate to burst your bubble, but I could recognize a car from half a mile only a few months after I learned to speak, and I too have lost the ability today. You simply took an interest. It's nothing supernatural.
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Old 01-5-2007, 02:55 AM   #152
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For me,
I am afraid of dying before i get old. This is my only fear in the death topic for me because when i get old i will be like...ok im old now i've done all this really awsome stuff now and there are no "what could have been" things still lying around.

mkay, have a great day.

p.s. I only read first two pages so don't hate on me if topic went in a different direction...
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Old 01-6-2007, 10:32 PM   #153
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I haven't read a single damn post in this thread <3

So I'll just say this. Do you know how life was before you were born? All those years passed and you just kinda weren't there? I assume that's what happens when you die. It just isn't there anymore.

I wouldn't worry about it. There's no need to worry about something you have no control over. I believe in heaven and hell as just being things that people say to try to make life better for the nicer people and to scare the not-so-nice people. If anything, I believe you just reincarnate. With your memory gone, of course.

Also, I'm not terribly afraid of death because I think it'd be much nicer to do nothing all of the time rather than work most of your life. If you no longer feel the need to do anything, things are much better.

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Old 01-6-2007, 11:19 PM   #154
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Lol, Yea ive always wonderd But i Don't wanna die
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I don't fear death at all if I think that my thought and all perception will cease to exist when I'm dead. If it's any other way though, I don't really look forward to it.
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Old 01-18-2007, 11:44 AM   #156
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well i have panic attaks som time over death but i out grown that like 4 years ago
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well i have panic attaks som time over death but i out grown that like 4 years ago
I think if you are going to keep writing like that then you should leave critical thinking and never come back. At least try to make a complete thought that INCLUDES proper grammar and spelling.

In any case, the most pointless thing to do in life is to sit there and be scared of death because its coming no matter what. You might as well just accept the fact that eventually you are going to die so you should use the time you have to your best benefit.
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I agree slipstrike. Have fun with the time that is given to you. If all you do is fear death you'll be paranoied for the rest of your life.
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well, replying with the thread name....

The way i see it is, since we have no(how do i put this...) recollection of the past, when we aren't born yet or in better terms, not alive, you never feel or see anything at all. So why would dying, or again, cease to exist, why wouln't it be any different then before you were born. So, in conclusion, my opinion would be that there would be black and no rememberance of anything for all eternity.

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I don't believe in a heaven or a hell. I believe once we die, we die. We have one life. We are just another species of animals, and if they don't go to some special place then neither do I. Therefore, my life is precious and I will live it as far as I see fit.

But does death scare me? It depends. What scares me more than death is living to a point where I can't make my own decisions anymore. Basically, if you notice people sometimes live to a point that takes them back to childhood, and I don't mean that in a positive way. Living seems a little scarier at that point.

Anyway I'm wandering off topic. No I'm not afraid of death...assuming I am not being tortured and violated in the process. I love life, but at the same time it could end at any moment. It will end at some point. I realize that, and I accept it.

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