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Then there is easily no point faith.
We are all just going to die anyways.
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Ok so I read farther into the thread and I realize what the issue is, and I now understand Euclidean frames.
Basically there's a premise not stated in the main argument that's stated in the OP that when something is "possible" it means that it happens on at least one world. So he isn't using the dictionary definition of "possible", and by the Euclidean definition he's absolutely correct. The problem, of course is the Euclidean assumption in the first place. As he argues later in the thread: Quote:
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lol its like mathematical proff the god exits
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Sounds like Kingdom Hearts to me.
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Of course, if those who beleive in no God are correct, then we all spend the rest of existence rotting in the ground. Kinda boring, but certainly a better prospect than eternal damnation.
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You say "a possible being", when the being was assumed to be. Now, whether or not that assumption was valid (I didn't read the whole essay) is another matter; I just wanted to clear up that confusion. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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yeah I did misuse that quote... but what I said is also true of what he meant. I know for a fact that he said essentially what I just posted many times.
Here I found it: Quote:
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Alot of the time people use faith to try to explain the un-explainable
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Guido im trying to keep my cool but your being as stupid as i was. This is going to go nowhere and mal probably knew that before he started.
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IN the bible god always appeared to the people and did all that godly things but that never happens anymore and when you hear voice you have mental issue. MAYBE Jesus had a mental Illness. but if God did exist you'd think he'd appear to us like he used in the good old biblical days
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Maybe he died. But he lived for billions of years before that =/ He wouldnt die in the 2,000 years after humans appeared.
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Time does not exist. At first humans measured time by the movement and rotation of the Earth, and we still do. If we started out on another planet, say pluto, a day or a year would be drastically different.Also, we base time on decay and use decay as a proof of time. So when people talk of time travel, they talk of returning to the previous state of something.
It's natural for a human to try and explain things. Before the advent of the scientific method and other discovery tools utilizing logic, we used faith because it was unexplainable. To us. That is also why we haven't been able to solidly and irresoutly prove the existence of God. He is unexplainable by His very nature, so we resort to faith when speaking about him. Also, we haven't been able to disprove the existence of God, so we speak in faith when we say he cannot exist. We can only use logic to explain our immediate physical universe. Not the other (if any) universes. So if God does exist, then some may assume that he exists only in the unphysical universe, while others will maintain that, since He is Supreme, he must exist in all universes. This is all talking in the assumption that such a being does exist. However, it seems hard to believe that no Greater or Supreme being exists. If not then where did the universe come from? And when we speak of the plane that our universe came from where did that plane come from? It just seems to make our existence that much simplier to believe in a Supreme Being. So perhaps thats where the idea came from, human laziness. We were too lazy to find the reason by testing it, so we made it up. As has been said, the answer is 42. Steel ![]() |
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God, as a supernatural being, would never die.
The whole Euclidian thing threw me off as it did you, Talisman. But I did get it after a while. "If something that possibly exists is necessary, then it is necessary," or something like that, logically follows as being necessary, because if something within the scope of a Euclidian frame is possible, then it can and will occur in some instance. Then, because necessary is assumed true for all worlds because of the definition of God as a "supreme being", then it all logically follows as true. Euclidian S5 modular logic is a tricky one in that respect. Like I said, I'll see what my English teacher can come up with. Maybe we'll get something out of what he finds.
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what's the saying "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." maybe that's what god did except he doesn't have the cool horns
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No, no, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he could pull his own thumb off (it was an illusion).
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but the thing is how can something just of existed forever he is the begining and the end. i'm not liking this whole idea
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At the time i wouldnt doubt it.
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what happens if christianty is wrong and scientology is right
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