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Im not denying anything. I want someone to proove me wrong.
And sorry im replying so fast but im just browsing the forums and you posted a seccond after i did.
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And sorry im replying so fast but im just browsing the forums and you posted a seccond after i did.
We can and do prove you wrong, time after time. It's just that you don't listen. If you want to keep being combative and crap then leave, otherwise state your point thoughtfully and intelligently instead of argueing. There is a difference between argueing and debating.
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First of all, your analogy about the dying person is silly and does not relate.

The bible covers many topics. Many of those are events and such that did or didn't happen. But you're entirely missing the point about religion. Just because there was no Noah's Ark like it says, doesn't mean there's no god. It also, equally importantly, does not mean that you should throw a fit if someone wants to learn about it.

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You never proved anything. You didnt even atempt to make a point.

Edit: Im not even caring about people beleaving in a god that create the universe and whatever. But the only reason they came to that conclusion is because someone else told them. If no one ever told them about the bible they would never have thought of it. So there for its not really what you beleave but what someone else told you, you should beleave. And since the bible is just stories its crazy that people live by and take it for real.

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You never proved anything. You didnt even atempt to make a point.
I debated with you last time you took this stance. You paid no attention.
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Why do you automatically assume that anyone who believes in a higher being is just some sheep? Of course there are people who accept their religion at face value, but those people are in a minority. I've already stated that many people question their faith, and they come up with their own answers, but you don't seem to be paying attention to a word I say.

Here's your good reason for defending the Bible:

If you believe it is true, and someone attacks your faith, you are going to defend it. I am defending the Bible because I believe it is the the spoken word of God, written by his followers, translated way too many times, but I still believe it. Now, if you can't accept that as a good reason, then you are close-minded and I'm through wasting my thoughts on you.

And I never said children don't accept what they are told. I said it is not right to give them information without explanation just because they will accept whatever you tell them. But I won't assume you know anything about the way children learn, so I won't bother.

And you would not have thought of the evolution of species if someone else hadn't told you about it. You wouldn't have known what "Two" means if someone hadn't told you. ALL knowledge is passed down from one to another.
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Yea but thats factual information.

And you are just as close minded for being the exact opposite. Which really makes everything pretty useless. And there is alot proof of evolution that the only reason it is still a theory is because religous people are in such denial.
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Yea but thats factual information.

And you are just as close minded for being the exact opposite. Which really makes everything pretty useless. And there is alot proof of evolution that the only reason it is still a theory is because religous people are in such denial.
Damn, I'm athiest myself but here I go playing the devils advocate. First of all having an opposite opinion does not make a person close minded if they are willing to listen and respond with reason

Second, even plate tectonics are still a theory, and religious people having nothing to do with that but it is widely belived and taught as fact. Evolution has greater gaps in it than plate tectonics, satisfactory transistory fossils have not been found and some dates are out of place. Unless it can be proved 100% it will always be a theory.
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Damn, I'm athiest myself but here I go playing the devils advocate. First of all having an opposite opinion does not make a person close minded if they are willing to listen and respond with reastons
True that doesn explain how someone wouldnt be close minded but that definatly isnt the case here.

And i still want to hear some reasons why the bible is real. Thats all im here for.
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And there is alot proof of evolution that the only reason it is still a theory is because religous people are in such denial.
The theory of gravity is still a theory. "Theory" is the highest degree of certainty that any scientific idea can have. Religious people have NO weight on evolution. Scientists have elevated evolution to the highest standard, and even though creationists want it brought down a few pegs, they are wrong (when considering the evidence).

And Izzy, it sounds like what you're trying to do is get people to prove their faith when one, that's impossible, and two, you can't even do it for your own side. There's a double-standard here that you're not trying to avoid.

People believe the Bible is correct (in religious, not necessarily scientific or historical, senses) because they have faith in it. You believe the Bible is wrong because you have faith that there is no God, etc.

These are equivalent beliefs, neither of which can be proven.

I'm here to see why the Bible isn't real. See? I can do it, too. So show me. The fact of the matter is that you can't, so you're essentially here for nothing.

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People of faith had written the bible, not scientists.
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People of faith had written the bible, not scientists.
Said that just alot more rudly. lol.

Im not trying to disprove god because you cant. But the bible is an artificial book so that is alot diffrent. But if you think about it, what is the point in having faith in something that is impossible to prove. And dont snap me that i have faith in evolution or plate tectonics i just see it as a good possiblity and it makes the most sense. If someone prooves otherwize than ok.

The average christian probably wouldnt udnerstand the possibility that the universe just is and that it was probably already here because the universe is everything already. Which is why they say someone had to have created it. But that explains nothing and leaves you with the same question as to who created god.
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Well, even scientific fact can be disproved. A fact is something that has thusfar stood up to all attempts to disprove it.

And here are what I find to be some wonderful reasons for faith:

My faith gives me
Hope
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Strength
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Joy
Love

Even if you don't believe in it, can you argue that these are qualities one shouldn't have in his life?

And many Christians (and others who have creation theories) do understand the possibility that the universe just is. How could we answer the challenges presented by people like you if we didn't? We understand your theory, and we kindly reject it.
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I'm personally an atheist. However, that doesn't mean that I think all followers of other religions are stupid and brainwashed...anyone can believe want they want, and if it makes them happy, that's fine.

However, sometimes I do think that when scientific data points strongly at some fact or theory, and people disbelieve it because it contradicts what their church or religion tells them, those people are just being plain silly.

The church thought the sun revolved around the earth. When scientific data showed otherwise, the church got all mad and started punishing the people who said this. It took them quite recently (in the last 15 years at least) to finally admit that they were wrong.

There's overwhelming evidence for evolution. Religious people still don't believe it and say that creationism (or, as some like to call it, intelligent design) is how humans were made. They aren't to the point of punishing people who say otherwise since they can't really do that anymore, but a great number of people still refuse to believe that evolution is true, despite the evidence.

I'm fairly certain that someday, the theory of evolution will be accepted by everyone just as the movement of the planets was.

And plus, it's entirely possible that parts of the Bible or of any religion are true while others are false. It's not as if the whole thing must be either totally right or totally wrong...
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Yea but thats factual information.

And you are just as close minded for being the exact opposite. Which really makes everything pretty useless. And there is alot proof of evolution that the only reason it is still a theory is because religous people are in such denial.
The reason Evolution is still a theory is because no expirement can reproduce the same results nor has the Evolution of a species actually been recorded. It has nothing to do with religion. You give Jesus-freaks and the like too much credit.
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Well, even scientific fact can be disproved. A fact is something that has thusfar stood up to all attempts to disprove it.

And here are what I find to be some wonderful reasons for faith:

My faith gives me
Hope
Courage
Strength
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Humility
Graciousness
Joy
Love

Even if you don't believe in it, can you argue that these are qualities one shouldn't have in his life?

And many Christians (and others who have creation theories) do understand the possibility that the universe just is. How could we answer the challenges presented by people like you if we didn't? We understand your theory, and we kindly reject it.
OH so i dont have any of those qualitys? thanks. You try and act nice so people will like you. Good job on your internet pride +1.


And what is with people that are like.

Yea, i agree with you but i hate you. If your christian, You are against all of religions because if your right then obviously they cant be right. If your islamic then obviously all jews are wrong and if your jewish then all atheists are wrong.
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Izzy...WTF?!?!?!

I am an athiest becuase I agree that people should find their own truth but that does not mean that I take every available opportunity to insult those who are not exactly the same as me. Find a way to accept others. You are no better than anyone else. I guarantee that
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No one ever said i was. I personally beleave that everyone IS equal. I just want to hear 1 shread of proof of the bible.

And you act like ive always been atheist. Ive found my way to it by getting rid of rediculous possiblitys. I just want to know why others beleave in and stick with the first thing they were taught. I bet if these christians went and told there mothers that they just dont find christanity the faith for me, they would probably beat their child.
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I NEVER insinuated that you do not have those qualities. EVER. I simply gave them as reasons for following a religion.

Stop reading into what people say. If you would for one second drop this defensive bull**** and stop assuming that I am out to prove you are an idiot, this thread could maybe be worthy of six whole pages.

I have plenty of friends who do not follow the Christian religion, and I don't go out of my way to force my religion on them. I'm not going out of my way to force my religion on you. I only got into this because you made an ignorant statement about a denomination about which you clearly know nothing.

You sound like this girl I went to high school with who used to punch Baptists for being Baptist.
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