Old 03-24-2006, 04:52 PM   #1
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I am an independent politically speaking, and I have just about had it with liberals, race, and certain aspects of religion.

First off I am airing my grievences on liberals. Todays liberals are always speaking of how conservatives, and christians are closed minded. Well maybe the liberals are really the closed minded ones always following what michael moore and the media say. What if somebody didn't want to accept muslims thats how they wish to believe and should be allowed to without having a gang of liberals call them "insensitive" and "racist"? What if that person had some traumatic event happen in their life involving a muslim maybe killing a family member. Now while I can't say this is right, it is definitely not the duty of someone else to tell them they're wrong and force them into believing some other way. What if someone is actually proud of their nation and isn't constantly looking to find some way to blame 9/11 on their government? What if they don't want to use George W. Bush as a scapegoat for all the nations problems?

Now on racism. I am very tired of people who have a problem, like maybe they didn't get a job, so they go say "I didn't get that job because that man is a racist" well get over it if thats truly the reason then that is the employers problem. There will be plenty more opportunities in the future. African-Americans these days tend to get very upset if a white person says the "N" word however among themselves its a common friendly word, what gives them the right to do that, the African-Americans of today haven't suffered in the south however if need be they play it off like they have. Lastly racist jokes, I will be frankly honest with you I laugh at racist jokes, you know why? Because I never take life too seriously and believe we should all be able to laugh at ourselves. By the way I have experienced racism against latin people because of te way I look. I have been called wet back, and spic before.

Last topic is on religion. I am absolutely tired of the way the media treats christians. Today Christianity seems to be getting pushed farter and farther back. While Islam, Buddhism and other religions are welcomed. Honestly if you are to keep religion out of school and public keep all religion out not just one kind of it. Christians today are looked at as closed minded bible thumpers that have no idea whats going on these days well that is completely wrong.

In conclusion I would like you all to think about what you have read. I may be viewed as crazy stupid or an array of other things but I had to air this out somehow. By the way I know I used a ton of run on sentences.

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I agree.

Every liberal does whatever Michael more says.

Like you said racism doesn't exist, especially when you just said you have been a victim of racism.

All the Christians are being pushed back. All 80% of you.

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What if that person had some traumatic event happen in their life involving a muslim maybe killing a family member.
What kind of logic is that?

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Today Christianity seems to be getting pushed farter and farther back. While Islam, Buddhism and other religions are welcomed. Honestly if you are to keep religion out of school and public keep all religion out not just one kind of it. Christians today are looked at as closed minded bible thumpers that have no idea whats going on these days well that is completely wrong.
That's because Western theologies are out dated (including Islam). They do not suit the needs of the modern man. Face it, when the Old Testament was created, man still thought the world was flat. Buddhism, however, has mass appeal in that Buddhism does not preach creed. Buddhists believe Nirvana can be obtained by looking into one's own soul and coming to terms with one's self. It teaches to strive for peace and harmony amongst all living things, man and nature. The teachings of Buddha are guides to help direct you into the right direction, but ultimately, it is up to you to follow the path of your life.

I dont know what school you go to, but at my high school, there was no speak of religion.
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on the killed family member I thought about that after I saw American History X and the boys father was killed in a fire trying to save a black man.
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on the killed family member I thought about that after I saw American History X and the boys father was killed in a fire trying to save a black man.
No, you missed the point. It's like saying "What if your family was killed by Christians in Ireland." It's bad logic.
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on the killed family member I thought about that after I saw American History X and the boys father was killed in a fire trying to save a black man.
The Japs killed my grandfather in World War II, so I guess that gives me the right to hate them. Right? Those slanty-eyed bitches!

And I guess I have the right to hate chinks, pacific islanders and dog-eaters too...since they are pratically the same thing, right? I mean, they look the same. Right? Might as well lump the Indians under that category as well since they are buddhists like the chinks.

And India is really close to the Middle East, so I can hate them as well. And part of the Middle East is located in Africa, so I can hate all Africans too. And African was colonized by the Europeans, so I can hate them too. The Americas were also colonized by the Europeans, so I can hate all Americans.

Man, so techinically, I am allowed to hate the entire world.
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I dont know what school you go to, but at my high school, there was no speak of religion.
At my high school, or Comprehensive as it called in britian. Religion was somthing we had to study till are 4th year, I got a B in R.E. The Comp i attended was very multi cultral ( i think thats the word ). Still there was alot of discrimination. One thing that always annoyied me was that becuase i had longish hair and i liked rock or whatever i was picked on. I was excluded from most things, i was generally not liked. This went on infront of teachers and everybody at the school. I was called most things under the sun. I felt like I was at the back of the bus. This is going somwere. I once saw sombody say to this kid, "im christian and i dont were a cross so why do you come into school with a praying mat and a spot on your head" (this kid wasnt too bright by the way) and he got kicked from school for 2 weeks. He was being racist they said. I had that sort of treatment for 5 years and nobody cared.
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You guys are missing the point. I hate people in general. I hate how we think we are so intelligent but we really know nothing. Earth is the equivalent of a speck of dirt on an 800 acre plot of land, its just pathetically small.
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I'm liberal and I find that what you're saying doesn't match my outlook at all.

I don't blame George Bush for all the problems of the US, I just think he's a pretty bad president and that someone else would probably do better.

And not accepting other religions is insensitive and closed-minded. Though it depends what you mean by "accepting".

I really dislike what I know about conservativism. I associate conservativism with closed-mindedness and anti-gay sentiments. But if you're conservative and manage to not do those things, then you're a cool guy.
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You guys are missing the point. I hate people in general. I hate how we think we are so intelligent but we really know nothing. Earth is the equivalent of a speck of dirt on an 800 acre plot of land, its just pathetically small.

So? Are you making a staement or making a debate. Fair enough you Hate people, Your one too. Start hateting yourself before you wish there was a change in other people. I understand what level you say we know nothing on, i know you dont mean that were not so clever even though we put people on the moon. I know what you mean, seriously. I can appreciete you like to get your views aired. Bottom line though, Hate only breeds more hate, you'll form a vicious cycle if you just hate people. You have got to get along with people and life, becuase it wont make the effort to get along with you.
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Last topic is on religion. I am absolutely tired of the way the media treats christians. Today Christianity seems to be getting pushed farter and farther back. While Islam, Buddhism and other religions are welcomed. Honestly if you are to keep religion out of school and public keep all religion out not just one kind of it. Christians today are looked at as closed minded bible thumpers that have no idea whats going on these days well that is completely wrong.

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Sounds about right to me. Being christian is denying half of the bible and then beleaving the other half. Whcih is stupid cause you cant just beleave in half of it. But than you would half to be catholic's but they are stupid since half of the bible has been disproven anyways.
Why cant people just accept that we are just here instead of going around and making up religions just so they can have false hope. Not saying there cant be some super natural being that created us all but the bible is a man made book and doesnt even have anything to do with a god.


And dont get the idea that just cause your wrong on one aspect your not on another. Everyone hates racists.

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WOOOhoohoo!

I need to visit CT more often with threads like this!


...Yeah....I'll just show myself out...
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Sounds about right to me. Being christian is denying half of the bible and then beleaving the other half. Whcih is stupid cause you cant just beleave in half of it. But than you would half to be catholic's but they are stupid since half of the bible has been disproven anyways.
Why cant people just accept that we are just here instead of going around and making up religions just so they can have false hope. Not saying there cant be some super natural being that created us all but the bible is a man made book and doesnt even have anything to do with a god.


And dont get the idea that just cause your wrong on one aspect your not on another. Everyone hates racists.
Okay, seriously, don't attack the guy for being a Christian and don't call out certain denominations if they haven't been brought up.

And to Cobol, I haven't experienced this huge backlash against Christianity that you seem to, but I live in Texas, where God is Governor. Really, the only time I see the media attacking Christianity is when some right-wing crazy person has blown up an abortion clinic or is trying to erect an a statue proclaiming "All Gays go to Hell" in Matthew Shepard's hometown. There's just as much attack on Islam, and it's just as biased, because all this country sees of Islam is fundamentalists blowing people up, even though the people who believe that kind of action is okay represent a very small percentage of the followers of Islam.

Maybe you hear PEOPLE (not media-folk) talk negatively about one religion or another all the time, but those people are idiots -- like Izzy, apparently. They're in every high school -- they've discovered Atheism is the cool new thing and take a liking to aggressively attacking their Christian peers at any opportunity. Let those people go. It doesn't pay to argue with them, and it certainly doesn't pay to let them get to you.
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Not like its just christians. If there was a drop of religion in my school i would ****ing kill them. Unlike you i dont just beleave whatever im told. if you want to been brainwashed from a child into beleaving the bible then go ahead. If you beleaved in the bible but found it on your own terms instead of someone telling you to beleave what they beleave just because otherwize your going to hell is just absurd. None of these christians really even beleave in the bible.
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Christians are discriminated against, rofl.

Media calls Christians bible thumpers, it also calls Muslims terrorists. If any of you watch the Dave Chappelle show, that reminds me of one thing he said... "I'd rather be called an affirmative action hired than homeless!" Also, if Christians didn't make the laws in this country (which they do) then people PROBABLY wouldn't disagree with their decisions, the decisions they weren't making.

You're the god damn majority, you're not being discriminated against.
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now, if you distill some of the stuff you are saying, it may make sense, but right now it seems like a pile of crap.

1) About conservatism
While it is true that there are a bunch of crazy liberal people who try to blame all the nations problems on the president, there are some who don't have that view. I, myself, get annoyed by the people who are far too left wing liberal. They blame bush for everything. Those types of people are generally stupid, because they have no way of backing up anything they say. There are a bunch of liberals who don't share that opinion of conservatives.

2) Religion:
There isn't a drop of religion anywhere in my school (except when we speak about literature). Whenever there is anything about religion, it isn't any type of preaching. We see religion in our history class for example, because it caused a bunch of stuff in the past.
The only schools that preach religion are well.... religious schools.

My dad is an extremely religious (hindu) and overly conservative and it annoys me a lot. It's not that I don't see where he's coming from; It's that he refuses to listen to anything else. I can see why he would be pro-bush, but ists the way that he refuses to listen to what anyone has to say, that annoys me the most.
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Not like its just christians. If there was a drop of religion in my school i would ****ing kill them. Unlike you i dont just beleave whatever im told. if you want to been brainwashed from a child into beleaving the bible then go ahead. If you beleaved in the bible but found it on your own terms instead of someone telling you to beleave what they beleave just because otherwize your going to hell is just absurd. None of these christians really even beleave in the bible.
Are you being ironic by spelling believe that way?
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I figure most religions can be viewed in a couple different ways:

imaginary guidance that doesn't change and can be easily misunderstood - Christianity and Islam for example

guidelines, made by the people that change with the people - Buhddism for example

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Anyway, you are the one being close-minded by thinking that all liberals are the same. Just because I'm pro-choice doesn't mean I hate Bush or am a devout atheist, and it does absolutely NOT mean that I am racist against muslims because .01% of them are fundamentalists.

As for the scapegoat issue..

Who runs the funding for schools, military, libraries, hospitals and whatnot: The government.

Who made the decision to go to war with no support from outside countries and an unreasonable source for starting: The government.

Who has a majority of the congress, senate, and executive branch: Republicans.

Who has been convicted of a felony and a direct intrusion of American privacy, arming themselves with the power to open 1st class mail that belongs to American citizens and moniter all international phonecalls, and dismissing the charges claiming that the end justifies the means, and that they are above the law: George W. Bush.

I'm also not mentioning tax cuts, giving substancially less money to education, and direct communication with Jack Abramoff (sp)

he may not be the cause of all of our problems, but he sure did a hell of a lot of damage.
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Things really arnt as bad as people think they are. people are probably just bored and need to complain about something.
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