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Old 01-16-2006, 03:50 PM   #1
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I have begun my descent into hell.

Anyone who has talked with me recently knows that the only video game I have played in the last few month is Ninja Gaiden Black. It is quite possibly one of the greatest games ever created.

Last night I unlocked Master Ninja mode after finally beating Very Hard, and I jumped straight into it. I have decided that I will keep notes on the experience, so here they are:

Chapter 1.

Oh my god what the fuck. Having every ninja replaced with a windmill shuriken ninja on Very Hard was fine, since they died to one XYXY combo. But now almost every ninja has been replaced with a red ninja, who require a Fiend Sealer upon finishing the XYXY combo to kill. Too bad you are usually being spammed by attacks from three at a time, making this Fiend Sealer nearly impossible to get off. I have enough skill at this game to last against these guys for a while, but it is a war of attrition that I ultimately can't win - the slightest mistake results in at least a third of my health bar dissappearing. If these guys died faster (say, to one XYXY combo) I would stand a chance, but as it is they just plain take far too long to kill. The furthest I got fighting traditionally was the hallway (the third encounter inside the fortress), and that only happened once.

I had read about people using the nunchakus and the lunar on this level, so I gave those a try. Unfortunately, I have never used the nachakus before. And I reserve the lunar for special purposes, like scythe demons and for when I need a long range attack on a boss; in other words, I have little experience going into direct melee with multiple enemies using it. Such combat is what I have spent the last 60 or so hours of Ninja Gaiden gameplay honing with the Dragon Sword.

That is when I decided to throw off all of the cheapness gloves I had been restraining myself with in the past. You see, Ninja Gaiden isn't a particularly difficult game on lower difficulty levels if you figure out ways to be really cheap. I discovered these tactics fairly early on in my playing, but I forced myself not use them, as they make the game a lot less fun. Furthermore, they do nothing to improve one's skill, so I knew that if I used the cheap tactics I would have absolutely no chance on higher difficulties.

But I was now on Master Ninja. There are no higher difficulties levels. Thus, all bets are off. I took my trusty dragon sword, and fought my way to the second encounter in the fortress like normal. Then I proceeded to spam Diving Cicada slash (a powerful attack executed after wall jumping that provides significant invincibility frames) until an enemy died and released essence. I would then perform an on landing ultimate tech, usually killing a couple more ninjas, releasing their essence, which I would use for an UT against the next ninjas to appear. I continued chaining essence like this as long as I could, returning to wall attack spam if I got in trouble. I repeated this process in the next two rooms (although I died several times too - this method is cheap, but it isn't easy or risk free), and I suddenly found myself at the first save point in the game. Getting this far had taken me roughly three hours.

The only other notable part of chapter one was Murai. It took a while for my battle plan against him to fully develop, but I found a very slow paced, defensive strategy to be the trick. I equiped the Lunar, and kept my distance from Murai himself. I used XY and wall attacks to poke his red ninja minions from a distance, until I had disposed of both of them. When they were dead, I used carefully placed rolls and XY combos to poke Murai's health down low enough to make more ninjas spawn. I then retreated to take care of them. This process repeated several times. This was all a lot more difficult than it sounds, since the red ninjas dodge just about everything. Furthermore, Murai's Auspicious Phoenix x3 was nearly impossible to dodge completely unless I was near a wall to run along. It took numerous tries, but I did eventually get through this battle with minimal potion use.

Chapter 2:

Absolute cake compared to chapter one. The samurai block just about everything, and they seem to have more health than some bosses on the lower difficulties, but none of that mattered, since they never could hit me. All I had to do was spam XYY to break their guard, another XYY to ground them, and then fiend seal them once or twice. The tricky part was manipulating the camera to keep the mages off screen. Although I found that I could roll straight through their projectile volley on Very Hard, they now fire so many that doing so is not possible. Roll jump dodging was the only chance I had to get away from the volley, but the timing had to be pretty much perfect for it to work. I had a lot of practice manipulating the camera against the berserkers in the Core and the Stadium challenge on VH though, so this wasn't too difficult.

The archer horseman seemed to fire arrows at a far greater frequency than on lower difficulty levels. Furthermore, the horses had a ridiculous amount of health. Thus, the battle against the horsemen proceeded at a very slow pace, although it was neither particularly difficult or interesting.

Masakado, as always, was a push over. Just hide in a corner, kill the mages, fire arrows, and repeat. The battle becomes far more interesting when he falls off his horse, at which point I had to go super aggressive on the mages, since I could no longer hide from Masakado in the corner (its funny how he gains a guard breaking move that he can follow up only after being dismounted).

Chapter 3:

Again, more cake. I had my way with the SAT soldiers in this level. The black soldiers were similar in guarding and health to the samurai from chapter two, and were disposed of in the same way. Except this time I had no mages to worry about. Absolutely nothing provided me a challenge, especially after I got my Dragon Sword upgraded to level two and got the Izuna Drop.

Until Dynamo, that is. His minions make it absolutely impossible to dodge his laser blasts at a distance, and thus it is absolutely impossible to actually kill his minions without getting hit yourself. The answer? Ignore his minions, and play an extremely aggresive close game with Dynamo, rolling through his arm swing -> grab combo and then XYYing him for a good chunck of health. Of course, getting Dynamo into this trap is far trickier than it sounds, since he has a tendency to blast you at close range with a laser if you get too close. Still, nothing too bad. I will note that I enjoyed this battle a lot more on Very Hard, since one of his minions was a white soldier then, allowinging for UT the black soldier, which ultimately let me fight a proper battle with the boss himself.

Chapter 4:

It took me a couple of deaths to fully remember the attack arsenal of the MSAT soldiers. After that they couldn't touch me. This chapter gave me a lot of trouble on VH, since I was not used to the grenade launching MSATs. However, I was fully aware of their presence this time around, and took care of them appropriately (Flying Swallow --> Izuna Drop).

The red ninjas that attack on top the building, who killed me countless times on VH, were an absolute joke this time around. It is funny how much of a difference the Izuna Drop makes when fighting these guys - if I had had the Izuna Drop in chapter one then I would not have had nearly as much trouble there.

Chapter 5:

More MSATs. Snore. More red ninjas. Had to be careful with those, as they are still fully capable of killing me in a couple of attacks if I slip up. Black MSAT, grenade launcher MSAT and red ninja at the same time. Intersting. Ninja Gaiden had never mixed enemy types like this on earlier difficulties. Still nothing too hard, as long as I was sure to flying swallow the grenade launcher MSAT immediately.

Four red ninjas at once. Fairly tricky, but nothing too bad. More red ninjas. White MSATS (aka cannon fodder aka dino food). Galas (red dinosaur fiend) time. Blade of Nittrii did the trick, although they now have an obscene amount of health. Too bad they can't hit me anymore, since I have spent the last three runs through the game fighting them.

Tentacle monster fight! This guy was always easy before, so I expected nothing different this time. Then I saw that his minions were shadow imps. FUCK. I got as far away from him as possible, and concentrated entirely on disposing of the imps - a small slipup against them would result in over half my health dissappearing to their slide tackle --> stab combo. Once they were gone I concentrated on nailing the tentacles. Like most of the other bosses thus far, this battle became much slower paced than it was in the past. I now had to actually concentrate on not getting hit by the arms, and killing the arms took forever compared to the past. Still, a few potions later I emerged victorious.

Chapter 6:

Greater cat fiends right off the bat. Interesting. These guys dodge EVERYTHING now, although I need to do is hit them with one X attack, which pretty much guaruntees an Izuna Drop, which is insta death for them. However, they drop health so often that fighting a neverending stream of them isn't too particularly difficult.

True Dragon Sword Fiend Ryu seemed much easier than on VH, although I am probably just a lot better now. Four IDs later and he was dead. I collected my rewards in the globe room, and saved my game, done for the night.

Next time I play I will likely do the Archive fiend challenge (oh god I am already in tears from how hard I know this will be), the Bone Dragon, the Ritual Room fiend challenge (easy as cake), and Alma. Should be fun.

Man, this is fun. So very hard, but so very fun.
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Old 01-16-2006, 03:59 PM   #2
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I expect your name to be in the credits of NG2, you know.
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Old 01-16-2006, 04:04 PM   #3
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I can't wait to get my game back so I can do this.
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I expect your name to be in the credits of NG2, you know.
Actually, I am suspecting that only the top karma earning players will get into the credits. I doubt I will finish with a karma score that will place me within the top 150, so don't count on this.

Besides, my friend (whose XBOX I am playing this on) doesn't even have XBOX live.

I will be sure to get some pictures of my moment of ultimate glory though.
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HOLY SHIT! That sounds impossible. I've had Ninja Gaiden for a while, but I haven't beaten it yet. I'm stuck on the last level -.- . I really want to get black, but I'm waiting till I get my 360 so that I don't waste all the money that I have set aside for that.
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I'm stuck on the last level -.-
Last level is a cakewalk, and final boss is a pushover.
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The only game you've been playing for a few months and you're still unlocking stuff? Is the game really that long? :P Well it certainly looks like a great game honestly, but I'm a Nintendo fanboy -__-;;
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I'm stuck on the last level -.-
Last level is a cakewalk, and final boss is a pushover.
Although chapter 16 is certainly a pushover on Ninja Gaiden, I'm betting he is talking about chapter 15 instead (I certainly thought it was the last chapter my first time through).

Marbus is an absolute bitch when you aren't familiar with him, but is definitely one of the easier bosses once you have experience with him. Same goes for both forms of the Vigoorian Emperor.

That being said, if all else fails, just remember that Flying Swallow spells victory against everything ever in Ninja Gaiden (although this has been fixed in Black).

On a side note, chapter 15 was easily the hardest part of my Very Hard run. The berserker rooms in the Core, along with the Ishtaros/Nicchae/Marbus clusterfuck of insanity at the top of the Core almost drove me to tears.

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The only game you've been playing for a few months and you're still unlocking stuff? Is the game really that long? Well it certainly looks like a great game honestly, but I'm a Nintendo fanboy -__-;;
First off, I am a Nintendo fanboy too. I don't own an XBOX. I bought Ninja Gaiden to play on my friends XBOX because it was cheap and supposedly challenging (I love a good video game challenge). After beating Ninja Gaiden, I went out and bought Black, which I have now played through on Hard and Very Hard. I only play the game at my friend's house, and have put in 60-70 hours total on it over the last two and a half months or so.

The main game isn't particularly long - at my current level of skill, I could probably blaze though Normal in five or six hours. However, each run through the game has taken me ~20 hours, since I die. A lot. As I said, I spent three hours getting to the first save point on Master Ninja, and probably half that time getting there on Very Hard.

The great thing is that I always know exactly why I die, and that it is always my fault. Thus, every death makes me just a little bit better at the game, which is why I now have the skills to play Master Ninja.
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However, each run through the game has taken me ~20 hours, since I die. A lot.
That's how it goes.

Also, the first time I encountered Ghost Piranhas (or whatever their technical name is), I nearly destroyed two controllers (and knocked the batteries out of one wireless). When I finally got to the save point at the end of the Core, my n00b brother who went through the first time on Ninja Dog appears over my shoulder and says, "Why the hell are you using the (weapon of Doku, forget its name, too tired)? That stalker chick tells you to use the Flail." Oh. That made sense.
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lmao you used the Kitetsu on the ghost fish.

I realized almost immediately upon getting to them that the Vigoorian Flail would be the weapon of choice for fighting them.

I'm curious, Tokzic, what is the highest difficulty you have completed the game on?
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Got halfway through Very Hard before lending the game to my friend. Though not so much lent as, "Leave it at my house, I'll give it back on Monday, okay?"
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Oh good, you are in for a treat then when you get to Chapter 15. Just wait until you meet your first berserker, and you will have some idea of what I am talking about :>

Chapters 9 and 10 also offer some nice change ups from from your experience with them on Hard.

I know that chapter 10 becomes even more retarded on MN than it was on VH. I'm looking forward to it.
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Berserkers = Those really annoying fire greatsword dudes?

Or, as I fear, berserkers = Those really annoying fire greatsword dudes except more powerful?
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Yep, that's them (no more powerful form though, at least not counting their berserked form). I suppose you are a bit more than halfway through the game then

One of the rooms in the Core has four of those guys in it, who you have to fight two at a time. Fun times.

Oh, and that is just the third room of the Core too.
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Ooh, I can just imagine the fun that awaits me in the last.

Also, did you ever go at the Missions? I encountered Berserkers there long before I got to them in Story Mode.
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Gah, I should have figured that >_>

I played a couple missions after beating Hard, but jumped back into story mode almost immediately. I will see if I can rouse up more interest in them after beating Master Ninja.

If nothing else, I NEED to experience the Giants of the Underworld missions.
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I'm stuck on the last level -.-
Last level is a cakewalk, and final boss is a pushover.
Although chapter 16 is certainly a pushover on Ninja Gaiden, I'm betting he is talking about chapter 15 instead (I certainly thought it was the last chapter my first time through).

Marbus is an absolute (!@#! when you aren't familiar with him, but is definitely one of the easier bosses once you have experience with him. Same goes for both forms of the Vigoorian Emperor.

That being said, if all else fails, just remember that Flying Swallow spells victory against everything ever in Ninja Gaiden (although this has been fixed in Black).

On a side note, chapter 15 was easily the hardest part of my Very Hard run. The berserker rooms in the Core, along with the Ishtaros/Nicchae/Marbus clusterfuck of insanity at the top of the Core almost drove me to tears.
Yea, thats where I probably am. I know for a fact that I haven't fought the vigoorian emperor yet. I was gonna bring my ninja gaiden back out this week and start it up again, but I'm lending it to a friend for a little while, and I have no where to play it, aka I'm too lazy to set up my xbox on a tv.
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Yay, got to play more last night:

Chapter 6:

Greater cat fiends are bitches. They dodge everything EVER - they are even worse than shadow imps in this catagory. I can still handle them, but I have to be extremely careful, and they are very much capable of killing me in the time it takes me to blink (uppercut from one cat followed immediately by a flying swallow from another kills me at full health).

The real problem is the scythe fiends, though. These guys are unique in this game, as they fly, and all of their attacks can hit you in the air. This means that you are not safe using the Izuna drop to take out greater cat demons or red ninjas that appear with them. Furthermore, these guys are difficult to hit and combo well unless one is using the Lunar, which isn't a good weapon to use against the enemies these guys appear with (cat demons and red ninjas). Luckily, they only appear in this chapter, and no where else.

The archive fiend challenge is completely ridiculous - 80 greater cat demons and 40 red ninjas, both of which can kill you with some attacks in a couple of hits. However, I discovered a method to kill them all that involved sniping the red ninja with the windmill shuriken from the top balcony, and then doing everything I could to play with the AI of the cat demons until they jumped to the bottom floor. I would then jump from the balcony to the second floor, and charge up a Lunar UT. Usually I would finish charging right before all three enmies arrived, and I would slaughter them all. Then I would just roll back a little, and repeat the UT as long as I could. When the enemy spawn staggered, I ran back to the top balcony and commenced sniping. This certainly wasn't safe, and I had to pull some pretty nifty stuff with the Lunar when the enemies didn't die like planned, but it did get me through the challenge.

Mass shadow imps are a pain in the ass at this point in the game, as you do not have enough health to afford any mistakes against them. This is made even worse by the chain room at the bottom of the cave, as the chains get in the way of all the AI scripts that I am used to, making for a very bizarre fight. The only way to get around this is to fight near the walls, but then the camera wonks out.

Oh, and I hate the zombies. I really, really hate the zombies. They are easily the most mindnumbingly boring enemy to fight in the game. Run to a corner, charge UT, unleash, repeat 20 times. The archers are also ridiculously annoying, since they fire arrows so fast. I had a pretty close call when going up the path to the save point after getting the Holy Grail. I ran out of incindery shurikens, and was low on health, with no potions left (the zombies in the holy grail room kept chain grabbing me, and the room is so far from the save point, and takes so long to do, that I didn't feel like reloading to conserve supplies). I was forced to make a series of tricky wall jumps and rolls past the three zombie archers up the spiral pathway, and by some miracle I was successful, and was able to get to the save point.

Bone dragon was completely laughable by this point in my gameplay development. I beat him easily without using any form of potion.

Chapter 7:

LotTG YES YES YES. Then climb back up to the monastary and upgrade my weapons. Then I go back to the Holy Grail room and do the 120 zombie challenge there. The level two Vigoorian Flails makes this completey trivial, since its UT can usually kill three at a time. I just took care of all the archers with Ripping Thunder + Armlet of Potency (kills the archers in one go), and when they were all dead I charged UTs in the corners and unleashed them until everyone was dead. ANOTHER LotTG YAYAYAYAYAYAY.

More zombie archers. More ripping thunder. Collapsing bridge. Fun encounter down here, but I don't waste my time with it, and run straight to the Red Eye room. This room is retarded, and I get it over with as soon as I can. Then Blue Eye room, where I easily refill health lost from being forced to step on spikes in teh Red Eye room. Then tentacle monster returns.

And kills me in less than 30 seconds. This is why I didn't bother with the encounters after the collapsing bridge >_>

You see, this room is tiny, and thus you are constantly forced to go near the walls. However, the camera goes haywire when near the walls. This wouldn't be so much of a problem, except that this guy has THREE fucking greater cat demons as minions, who have no problem fucking you up when the camera is spazzing and you have no idea what is going on. Furthermore, he starts spewing fireballs almost immediately after the battle begins. I actually died to him twice, and had to use several potions the time I did beat him. I feel ashamed :<

More zombie archers. More zombies Vigoorian Flail gogogo. GHOST FISH YAY XXX B X XXX B X XXX B X XXX B X XXX B X XXX B X XXX B X XXX B X k all dead. Statue, skull key MORE GHOST FISH XXX B X XXX B X VIGOORIAN FLAIL GGOGOGOGOGOGO

Alma. Died to her a few times, then realized I was too tired to keep playing. I will get back to her later, although I will note that she seems much harder to knock down now than she was in Very Hard. Her minions have been replaced with shadow imps, but they aren't much of a problem, since the camera for this fight is pretty cooperative, and Alma ends up killing them herself half the time anyway.
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Oh man. All I can say is, I wish this was a video documentary.
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:42 PM   #20
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Ninja Gaiden Black rules! Ok the trick is if you are having bad problems run up the wall and use the slash tech. When ever I am really low on health I just use that. It works really it does just don't try it on anything with a gun....it really hurts.
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