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He's not saying you shouldn't battle monsters, he's merely stating that you need to be cautious when involving yourself deeply in a conflict of an evil nature. Because you can lose who you truly are down the path of purification.
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No, he's definitely saying you shouldn't battle monsters. That's why it says "Battle not with monsters".
It's unequivocal. Maybe if he wanted to mean more with it he should have fleshed it out a little more. |
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That is entirely tangential to my discussion and irrelevant, especially after my reply to spec.
I KNOW that he's saying if you battle the monsters you will become a monster. That isn't my point at all. My point relates to refuting previous claims that the quote is about HOW you fight the monsters/evils. It isn't. It's about whether or not the conflict is engaged in in the first place. |
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He's not outright saying, "DON'T DO IT." He's just saying be careful.
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"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes into you."
I disagree, it seems pretty clear. If he wanted to say "be careful" the quote would be "Be careful when battling monsters, lest ye become a monster..." |
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For fighting will lead you down a trail of betrayal young padowan. Anger, to the dark side it leads.
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it's deeper than that, the only reason I say that is because I've read most of his works. So either it was just a surface problem or he just contradicts the fuck out of himself.
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Or else he just has clarity issues. I find most philosophers like to deliberatle muddy things so that they seem more profound. For example here the parallel structure would indicate that there's some kind of connection between "monsters" and "abyss". Yet while both are vaguely evil, I can't draw any direct connection between the two ideas. Are monsters supposed to be external and the abyss internal? Impossible to answer conclusively.
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talisman, i cant tell you how much i love you, yes homo.
you say all the things i'm not smart/articulate enough to say.
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Yeah, so technically we both could be right, but I see your point exactly and the only thing that keeps me from agree with it is other stuff I read, I'll try to see if I can find it.
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<3 fojar
spec, other stuff might definitely throw this into a different light. I gather he didn't just publish this quote all by itself... |
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"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes into you."
Battle not with monsters... Meaning, you should never solve your problems with Pokemon. Always fight with guns, swords, or something... But not a tiny little animal that lives inside of a ball. Or else... You will become a Pokemon. I know, strange, but it makes sense if you think about it. If you gaze into the abyss... Be careful. That movie was long, convuluted and boring as hell. And when you watch it, can you tell me honestly that Ed Harris isn't staring into your soul with his big brown chocolate pudding eyes? I think I nailed it. Mal
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Wow
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ohman....
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Hay mal, I think you need to stop being so clever. It's really annoying to come here expecting more talking of if he meant to avoid fighting all together or if he meant to be cautious, and all I find is one of the funniest things I've seen in recent years.
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