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I'm catholic, and i'm not ashamed to admit it. Sure I think my religion has done some really retarded things in the past. They also haven't updated themselves since like the 1700s, and so we look really dumb trying to stay in touch with the present.
COUGH VATICAN II COUGH.

Seriously, man, it was probably the biggest reform in the history of Catholicism. Catholics today are typically pretty liberal, and John Paul II did wonders in "updating" us. Of course, the Church is never going to do anything to change our core principles, like support abortion or anything like that, but I would hardly consider us out of touch or outdated.

It makes me sick that people knock Catholicism because of what it did waaaaaaay, way back when. Does it matter? Not in the slightest when you consider what we're like today.

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Leviticus is the old testament.

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It's like this:

Back in the day white people forced our religion/beliefs/morals on other people.

Nowadays white people force our hands into other countries supplies such as oil...

How've we changed?
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Mal, all the stuff pertaining to homosexuality in the Bible is in Leviticus, I am fairly certain (I saw it in context).

But if the Christians are going to follow obscure Bible verses (like the ones pertaining to homosexuality), why don't they follow all the verses in Leviticus as law? Who's up for some animal sacrifice? Child beating, anyone?
I always questioned getting beatings when I did wrong as a child but of course it says in the bible, "Spare the rod, not the child," or something like that. Man, if kids should get beat for doing wrong what about adults? A belt hurts man. But I'm Black so I should be used to it.
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I just wish that Christians (the ones I know, I guess my family is technically Catholic, but we don't go to church or anything, and I'm definately not a believer, I'm talking about the ones who preach.) would stop taking everything so literally, and telling me how I think. I remember one of my friends telling me that I believed there was such thing as god inside me. I told him no I didn't, and he said "every atheist denies it but its true.", statements like that I just can't stand.

I have no problems with religion, its just evangelism I hate. I won't bug you about your religion, and you don't bug me about my lack of one.
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The Christians who force their beliefs onto others are the ones that bother me. Yes, Christians are just normal people and are definitely not "evil". A Christian is somebody with a different set of morals developed from a different set of viewpoints they created with their own faith in a supernatural being known as God.

Does he exist? It doesn't matter. It's all up to you - and it's your choice. Choosing to be Christian is definitely not evil, and the religion is far from that aswell. Just because some stupid things that were decided by people whom are now hundreds of years old, that were made under completely different circumstances.. environments.. communities.. etc etc, doesn't mean the same affects of those decisions apply now. When someone bashes Christianity and uses what Christians have done in the past as an excuse to bash them, they're only looking for an easy way to piss somebody off.

It's a silly idea to think Christianity is wrong. They do plenty good for others, and contribute to society.

Although, it's the people who over-exaggerate the religion and really absorb themselves into it a bit too much that bother me. I know too many good Christians to say that all Christians are evil, and the ones that I don't like I don't converse with. Simple as that.
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For some reason when I read the parts where it mentioned the 12 year old kids that are mad because they think God cursed them with loving caring parents who don't want them to have sex at the age of 12. That they feel that they should retaliate. That part got me very angry for some reason. I know a lot of stuck up kids who are like that in my school. Just about 2 years older though at the most. Most are 13. Then they curse at the Lord God and same his name in vain amd act like they couldn't care less about when they die and when theres an afterlife. Sorry, I know it's hard to follow my ways of typing. It barely makes sense. But you get the general idea of it. Most kids don't think. They act as if they can screw up their life without consequense. Sure, God won't come down from the heavens and smite you to the ground. But when you die you'll get your just reward. That just gets me mad.
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The Christians who force their beliefs onto others are the ones that bother me. Yes, Christians are just normal people and are definitely not "evil". A Christian is somebody with a different set of morals developed from a different set of viewpoints they created with their own faith in a supernatural being known as God.

Does he exist? It doesn't matter. It's all up to you - and it's your choice. Choosing to be Christian is definitely not evil, and the religion is far from that aswell. Just because some stupid things that were decided by people whom are now hundreds of years old, that were made under completely different circumstances.. environments.. communities.. etc etc, doesn't mean the same affects of those decisions apply now. When someone bashes Christianity and uses what Christians have done in the past as an excuse to bash them, they're only looking for an easy way to piss somebody off.

It's a silly idea to think Christianity is wrong. They do plenty good for others, and contribute to society.

Although, it's the people who over-exaggerate the religion and really absorb themselves into it a bit too much that bother me. I know too many good Christians to say that all Christians are evil, and the ones that I don't like I don't converse with. Simple as that.
this'll probably be the first time i'll agree with you, lol. people that disrespect other's views of religion and force their view upon another need a punch in the jaw. i absolutely cannot stand dogmatic people. i've been bothered on about 5 different occasions regarding "why i'm wrong about there not being a god" and "i'm not disrespecting your views, i'm doing it to help you because i care about you". now sure, they think they're right and all, but they don't have to shove their shit down my throat.

yeah, i can't go around christian bashing because i have a bunch of christian friends. the one's that've bothered me in the past about my choices regarding religion i have taken the opportunity to block them and never talk to them again, works wonders.

to people that like to flaunt their own opinion regarding religion: shut the fuck up, don't do it, everyone entitled to their own opinion. half of you ******s probably do it without realizing too, i know someone that does it without realizing it to me, they think they're helping me. keep your views to yourself, don't get up in other people's faces about religion, it's not something that should be discussed if you have different views.

to the people with an opinion: you aren't wrong, you aren't right

i choose to keep my opinion regarding religion to myself most of the time. people that flaunt their opinion come off as extremely ignorant to me because they don't have a fucking clue. someone said to me "i can't see it, i can't hear it, i can't smell it, i can't touch it, but i know it's there." i took it upon myself to call them completely ignorant and never talk them about religion again.

as for my opinion: i'm in decisive. being as stubborn as i am, no one will be able to change that, whoever they think they are. until i've seen something with my own eyes, or have been given a damn good logical explanation, i've not come to a conclusion.

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Oh, come on. The violent past of Christianity is completely irrelevant. The girl was talking about present-day Christianity and how it's talked about (in such a community) today.

You still can't deny the good Christians have done. Sure, there were some really bad ideas in its name five hundred years ago, but that's obviously not the point of her post.
Because that definitely had nothing to do with how Christianity was shaped over the years. Where would Christianity be today if it hadn't done those horrible things back in the past? It used fear tactics on a gullible population to increase its numbers. It still uses that same tactic, but in a much less violent way. They don't kill people if they say "No" anymore.
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Mal, all the stuff pertaining to homosexuality in the Bible is in Leviticus, I am fairly certain (I saw it in context).

But if the Christians are going to follow obscure Bible verses (like the ones pertaining to homosexuality), why don't they follow all the verses in Leviticus as law? Who's up for some animal sacrifice? Child beating, anyone?
that was amusing.

We don't do that anymore, because its against the law, and also they say you have to obey the laws.

::BEFORE I CONTINTUE-I can't believe this went tid far without ignorant aguing!::

Christians are regular people, and I am christian, and I am not ashamed nor shy about my Religious beliefs.

For someone to say that Christians are hipocrites are hipocrites theirselves.

When you make a topic or argument of a large group of people, you should literally be slapped upside the head. Stereotyping gets us all nowhere.

And also, there are many things that set us apart from everyone else.
Be it height, weight, voices, shoe size, skin color, race. Whether you wanna except it or not,
Religion is one.That is what makes the world more beautiful!

Another thing I believe, is that God makes everything happen for a reason.

Ex 1:Slavery.
A.Without Slavery, the world would be different. The whole world would be diverse.
B: I'd probably still be in africa dying or dead of AIDS.

Ex 2: This current war.(Before I continue, this will show my religious beliefs, so if you do not belive in God, skip this section.
A:This war will set off one of the most critical times for religious and non religious people. I would say, but for security, I won't.

So in conclusion: I love everybody. Be it Christian, Catholic, or Athiest, I love them. I notcie everyone is different, and I've grown to except it.
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For everyone hiding behind the same Leviticus rant that I used to hide behind when it came to showing how dated religion is: It's a part of the old testament. Perhaps you've heard of it, maybe not. But along came the new testament to replace the old testament... And, why, what's that? Religion IN THE BIBLE has gone to prove that things change (Old/New Testament). Of course, some people don't get and others choose not to see it that way... I mean, I am by no means a man of strong faith, but I do know that things change and the Bible in this instance has accomadated itself for such change by adding on a second testament...

Now, people might rebute and say, "Well, it's God's word, it can't be changed and QED God isn't real." Well, sure. Except the Bible is simply an interpretation of Man, and Man is fallible. And those that say, "Man is made in God's divine image," well, that's very true. Adam was, and then he was cast out of Eden and commited incest and his son murdered etc etc etc... So, corruption along the line because of original sin also accomadates things...

But, a point in the Bible that so many people miss? Well, this just shows how influential people are on the creation of a modern Bible: Back in the old days, the fish market was tanking very much. So much, that the guild of fisherman and mongers went to the high priest demanding something be done or they would lose a valuable support group for the Catholic church... Next thing you know, the church passes a decree stating that meat shall not be eaten on a Friday; instead, people turn to fish, the market reinflates, and the Friday meat rule finds its way into the next revision of the Bible...

Yes, it has its faults. But, please know where to find them.

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Though you were using that as an example, the meat part anyways. It's said that we don't eat meat on fridays in the Bible because Jesus died on Friday. So I could still see how that could of been interpreted into the next Bible.
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True, but (although most revisionist texts are lost) that was added sometime later, and not at the beginning (after Christ died). It took a while for that to be written in, and it took a major event; a depression in the fish market. And, of course, saying we shouldn't eat meat on Friday because that is the day Christ died is also a very good cover, but it does seem thrown in, no? I mean, if anything, logically, it should be Thursday because that is when Christ introduced that His body was bread (not meat) and his blood was wine (again, not meat). I might have my dates screwed up, but considering that is called "The Last Supper", I'm lead to believe it took place the day before... Of course, I could be wrong. It has happened before... But...

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Mal, that just sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. Sure, I guess it's possible, but it's not convincing.

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I think the main thing here is not whether or not christianity helps the world... it's about the truth, dignity and integrity.

Has anyone here read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley?

I really like that book... anyways, it's about people being conditioned to love their place in life and they constantly take drugs in order to maintain their happiness.

I think this relates to religion in the sense that maybe you're not really being honest with yourself. To simply accept a belief and devote your life to it in return for happiness and a possibly false sense of security and understanding... is that what we really want? Or do we want to find the truth and see it with our own eyes.

Sure you can be happy... or you could painfully seek the truth. This girl is arguing for the dystopia presented in Brave New World.


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Yesterday, I went to see the Exorcism of Emily Rose, and it was more than I thought it was going to be.

And for those who don't know, it was about a case( in court) over a spiritual matter. If you don't know, just see the movie.

My point is, this is what's really going on now. Science or Religion, and which one are you going to rely on.
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I should whip out that giant page of things that Jesus said that we would consider so wrong in today's society.

I'll have to find it; it's great.
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The church obviously is changing. In 1992 Sir Isaac Newton was forgiven for being excommunicated. I personally think the church is losing the battle against science. One thing i like about Amish people is their strict code about no electricity and stuff. I am not religous, but that just makes sense to me that if you would be praying to someone/something not having to do with science, you wouldn't have science in your life at all.
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Religion and science are, by no means whatsoever, mutually exclusive.

And your comment about the Amish was completely retarded.

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