Old 08-4-2003, 12:28 PM   #21
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i dont know reach is damn good, and i think he could contend with anyone here
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Old 08-4-2003, 02:20 PM   #22
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It may be just one song, but Payon, while an impossible song, really ins't in the same league as FOTBB with mods that seem to put it up to about 800bpm or whatever (something insane). The one song that supposedly Reach can do and you can't is almost too fast to comprehend, and that's where questions of Arch's authority come in, because the song is just on such a higher level.

Getting a slightly higher score on a hard song ins't the same, because it's entirely different to have the brain and the fingers to do FOTBB on double 1.5x

As for having more general skill...well, I'm not going to argue with you, because it's true. You do post consistently higher scores on most songs than Reach, but look at it this way. If Player A consistently got much better scores than Player B on Butterfly or Candy, but Player B can B Caprice, who's better? Not being offensive, just a thought.
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i think the best get the highest scores on the most difficult of songs...like caprice or revo; truenewbie a fantastic player, is on every high score list, except for the hard songs, so he is never considered one of the best, correct?
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Old 08-4-2003, 03:18 PM   #24
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Well...the thing is. With a slow computer on FFR, the arrows will actually move slower. On SM its just going to lag and you're gonna miss....so FFR isn't the greatest way to test someones skill.

Also...getting highscores on easy songs, IMO, is patience, not skill. Its not hard to FC those songs, you just have to sit there and keep trying.
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Old 08-4-2003, 03:52 PM   #25
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Reach, I think Arch has got your place wired with fiber-optics to know what you can and can't do, soon he'll take you out.. with a bat even.. like that movie with the mouse that was actually a satellite.. conspiracy.

Anyways, I'm going to make a step file so I can post how awesome I am at it.

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It may be just one song, but Payon, while an impossible song, really ins't in the same league as FOTBB with mods that seem to put it up to about 800bpm or whatever (something insane). The one song that supposedly Reach can do and you can't is almost too fast to comprehend, and that's where questions of Arch's authority come in, because the song is just on such a higher level.
It's easy to read on 1.5x music speed normal arrows, but on 1.5x scroll rate and music speed it's 900 bpm.

Not only that, but you're moving at 8ths at 600 bpm. Keeping that constant rate on almost any keyboard is near impossible. 1.3x is very possible, 1.4x is very very doubtful but still possible although doubtful, 1.5x is pure bullshit. I haven't played on specially designed keyboards but almost all standard keyboards have trouble going at anything beyond 8ths at 500 something at a consistant rate. I'm not talking 5-10 arrows, FOTBB is almost a nonstop consistant rate with only a very very very small portion of small breaks.

And as for the hard song thing...

I'm not talking about easy shit.

On EVERY OTHER hard song besides caprice and uber rave, my scores have been higher. I'm talking max300 iidx oni, payon, etc etc etc you get the idea, I don't want to spend a ton of time researching it.
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Old 08-4-2003, 05:05 PM   #27
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Humm...interesting. Reach is obviousily quite skilled, but arch is better.

As for the FOTBB thing...i can pass it on 1.3 music speed...i supose you could pass it on 1.5...you can hit arrows at that speed...but you'd have to have the song like memorized. If you started a fraction offbeat, toast.
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No, no one could pass it on 1.5. Re read my post.
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Old 08-4-2003, 05:24 PM   #29
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I read it the first time.

yea....i guess you've got a point there. what about 1.5 music speed, and a slower arrow rate?
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What the fuck?

Read my post AGAIN.

Slower arrow scroll speed means shit.

It's the speed that you're pressing them.
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Old 08-4-2003, 06:21 PM   #31
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yeah i get the idea, but you dont know reaches scores on those either...you know his uber and caprice scores, right, is that it? because if so its reach-2 arch-0; but this really isnt a competition is it? no its not, youre just calling him a lier...the attempt is futile, nothing will ever be proven or solved in a chat room or forum, so lets just drop it
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Old 08-4-2003, 07:00 PM   #32
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No you fucking idiot.

Every song he's posted his best scores on besides those two I've scored higher on.

Stop trying to defend someone who is wrong.
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Old 08-4-2003, 07:59 PM   #33
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say what?! fucking idiot...excuse me...defending?! look pal i aint defending no one; how can i defend something with no proof. exactly, i cant, and im not trying to, but youre acting as judge, jury, and executioner, also with no proof; and just because you and your friends cant do it doesnt mean it cant be done...im not denfending anyone, im just proving the fact that no one knows shit...you dont know shit, i dont know shit...the only one that knows is reach; youll never know if reach did it or not because youll never believe him, and reach will never say that he lied and youre right...so take some chill pills, a cookie, some warm milk, and take a nap....let it rest
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I'm the only one on this topic who thinks this, but I really dont' think this subject should be dropped. Reach will never have any credibility if he doesn't back up his ludicrous statement. Your really should try and get a vid or sound file for your own sake.
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maybe reach passed it with fail turned off
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maybe he doesnt feel he needs to prove anything to anyone because it really doesnt matter how good someone is at finger games
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LOL

this topic needs to be droped. gone on long enough.
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Yes.

It matters.

When you get into high level rankings of video games, it matters.

Tillerman has devoted his life to real time strategy games.

Anyways, makaveli, play fotbb on 1.5x music speed 1.5x scroll speed with tick with fail off and try believing he beat it with a c.
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look im not that good at these games...im in the 95th percentile, but im not great...i have fotbb and can beat it with an A, im still improving; but i cant do it of course...i cant do some of the things you say you can do either...it doesnt mean it cant be done if i cant do it...and i have tried it before, and i found it very improbable to do, however, if you had the song and the pattern down, its just a matter of moving the fingers; what the hell does tillerman have to do with anything...startegy games...what the hell is that about
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Old 08-4-2003, 09:16 PM   #40
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Ugh you're missing the point and being fucking stupid again.

You can't just say "it's just moving your fingers fast".

You obviously have no fucking clue how fast you have to move your fingers.

Oh okay, if you can do something I can't, then what is it?
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