TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Postgame]

[YoshL]

TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? (JK9++)
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=JK9%2B%2B
13 players - EoD 11:00 PM Server Time
kitb ON | instas ON | phantoms OFF | cardflips ON
OOTC OFF | nighttalk OFF | wolf daychat ON | wolf private nightchat ON


TOWN WINS

Additional Game Info
While there is no enforced post limit, I will be modkilling at my own discretion and requirements.
Protective roles may not save the same target twice in a row

TTTTTTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver
TTTTTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Serial Killer
TTTTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver
TTTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia JOAT (Roleblock, Ninja Kill, Strongman Kill), Serial Killer
TTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia JOAT
TT = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT, Serial Killer
T = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT
0 Ts = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT, Serial Killer

Players

1. Funnygurl555 - Vanilla Town, Lynched D5
2. inDheart - Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame
3. Celirra - Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame
4. who_cares973 - Vanilla Town, Lynched D2
5. Gradiant - Vanilla Town, Lynched D1
6. dabackpack - Gunsmith, Killed N2
7. Xiz - Mafia Goon, Lynched D3
8. Anti-Pearl FreezinIce - Mafia Goon, Killed N3
9. blindreper1179 - Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame
10. Tps222 - Mafia 1-shot Bus Driver, Lynched D6
11. Precarious - Vanilla Town, Lynched D4
12. Syhto - Vanilla Town, Killed N1
13. the sun fan - Vanilla Town, Killed N4

[YoshL]

Setup rolls:

9 100 98 46 40 8 24
T R R T T T T

RR - Gunsmith
TTTTT - Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver

6 8 7 10
DBP - gunsmith
Anti-Pearl - mafia goon
Xiz - mafia goon
Tps222 - Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver


Game Actions

D1
Gradiant lynched (vanilla town, kitb with thesunfan)
Freezin replaces Anti-Pearl because Anti-pearl has not logged onto ffr since August 14th as of the end of this game

N1
dabackpack gunsmiths sunfan, comes back no gun
Xiz kills Syhto

D2
who_cares973 lynched (vanilla town)

N2
dabackpack gunsmiths xiz, comes back gun
Freezin kills dabackpack

D3
Xiz lynched (Mafia goon, kitb with blindreper)

N3
Freezin kills thesunfan
Tps222 bus drives thesunfan and freezin

D4
Precarious lynched (vanilla town)

N4
Tps222 kills sunfan

D5
Funnygurl555 lynched (vanilla town)

N5
Wolves no kill

D6
Tps222 lynched (mafia 1-shot bus driver)

dedch@ link - https://discord.gg/VKSWAfK
wofchat link - https://discord.gg/JeHRhxc

[Charu]

OvO

[DaBackpack]

owo

[Precarious]

I wrote a poem about the game in deadchat. For your viewing pleasure:

This TWG

Mass confusion is a poor substitute
for past collusion, delusions
dreaming in dead space of
Blind villagers, suicidal wolves driven mad
by vicarious visions, precarious propositions,
and a knife in a backpack. Pray the lack
of conversation is no limitation, but merely
prelude to the fall of wolfy carnivores,
salvation of celery. Hark!
Here comes the sun.

[inDheart]

ÒwÓ

[who_cares973]

I wrote a sonnet about Totinos pizza rolls while waiting for you guys to Lynch tps

In the microwave or oven roasted
A simple snack to have or full blown meal
Eat them at home or where wine is toasted
After a bag, hunger you will not feel
A calzone and ravioli it's not
Packed with flavour, pepperoni and cheese
A roll as delicious as it is hot
An oral orgasm each bite'l release
Totinos Pizza Rolls, the perfect snack
Ev'ry piece what a wonderful delight
It's like Christmas when you get a new pack
I'm telling you boy, they are out of sight!
If there is one thing that I regret
It's knock off Totinos, never forget

[blindreper1179]

We did it!

[Celirra]

Holy shit i actually won a game

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Celirra

Holy shit i actually won a game

UvU

[Precarious]

ಠwಠ

[the sun fan]

gj town

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by inDheart

i decided to write some words about people to see where i ended up and it was different than i expected tbh

5. Gradiant - is honestly the most inside my head, don't want lynched today for sure

11. Precarious - hasn't really played the game so all i have to go on is tone, which him not being wooden and deadly serious is lightly town indicative

9. blindreper1179 - light town? maybe? he doesn't seem to have the paranoia i attribute to his wolf game, from that one time he pushed into his partner sunfan as well as a town roundbox. don't care about him saying he wouldn't be around for the first half of d1 before-the-fact

1. Funnygurl555 - @funny there's a question for ya in here

cares about xiz votes, doesn't mind adding a joke vote?



seems like wanted entitlement or something; those are bad words to describe that but you know what i mean



? expand please?

i guess not a whole lot to look into to give much of a lean. a lot of her posts come before i feel like the game shifted into serious mode. there almost seems like an aloof uncaringness to how people perceive her in the first two points here. probably the towny side of null

4. who_cares973 - at least don't think i would lynch today; real-time chat has been fine and he's been Doing Things; the places where he had friction don't feel great (e.g. talking about...cel/sunfan as a pair and interactions between them?) but don't feel particularly wolfy either, just rough more than anything, loose ends that i feel like he'd be tempted to trim as a wolf because i know he's able to think analytically in the wolf seat

12. Syhto - reads kinda scant, not very developed as mentioned, shows self-awareness of that though. final placement pending some fleshing out of thoughts as promised

3. Celirra - he does feel kinda samey to me but that's coming off a game that broke a streak of all town rolls. i'm just happy he did a thing before the end of time tbh but that's not much to go on. read i should shore up by poking at him

7. Xiz - kinda think him and cel are a package deal now which is why he's right next to cel. wants to shut down the talk between him and wc thinking it's unproductive which is like, mild glimmer of town not wanting to take over the thread with it? posting is fairly lol xd, and i'm biased but i think some of the details he's picking on aren't indicative of anything, but at least he's picking them out

8. Anti-Pearl FreezinIce - very null; he's also in the shading syhto bloc which is just rather easy and we're kinda waiting on him

10. Tps222 - didn't understand his comment to prec's d0/d1 thing, because like, you can just look at the opening of the game for that. might get the "didn't read the OP" read? didn't get why he thought sunfan was "calling [him] out" either, or why he thought i, specifically, had an issue with sunfan naming tps, because i had a rationalization for it. also saying you'll vote within us three feels...constrained; you can lynch anyone and you don't have to make up your mind so far out

6. DaBackpack - i have a complicated read on him where him coming at me and gradi and wanting to do this baiting thing instead of being straightforward about his reads there is pretty strange, and has elements of how i think he'd play a wolf game with arbitrary team members, but even so it's...daring. he does get easier to solve as d1 ramps up and i may not want to resolve him today on account of that alone, but having what i feel are eccentric reads for the game state is a decent way at appearing individualistic. i don't think doing so is him playing the game too far beyond d1 either; i have thoughts about generalities on how people would approach the game that i can expand on, and basically i think he fits those generalities and he'd think to have Spicy Reads as a way of appearing town

13. the sun fan - gimmick is a bit annoying; i touched a bit earlier on how it could be misdirection for reading into voting patterns if he's wolfing. also think usually by now he's able to do things with more confidence than he has, but his syhto read and the perhaps now-forming cel read could be examples of that - BUT the syhto read just doesn't feel good to me either. i think him trying to get by as a wolf on d0 usually involves setting up some kind of an insurmountable wall for his favorite mislynch, and syhto could be that here, and having thread support for the lynch is helping him out. saying she feels the same as the jtwg isn't great because the implication is for that read to change, she has to just feel different, and that's only really with a fresh example of her wolfing to contrast

i think the straightforward expectation would be someone rolling wolf twice in a row should feel at least a little different between the games - either not doing the same thing that just got you caught, or switching up what just worked so you're not falling into the same motions. i'm not seeing a depth of process here to suggest that same = bad, or specific things that are bad, or that where differences may exist, they don't matter

Originally Posted by inDheart

my not lynch list is probably something like
gradi
syhto
wc

dbp's a possible include there bc reading him still tears me in half

wouldn't feel great about lynching prec, blind or fg atm, with tps being a possible include here due to his pseudo-fish-out-of-water-ness

i didn't really expect sunfan to just headnod at my read on him and move off syhto and to not-cel like he was set up to do

oops

PRs are wolfy guys

[Celirra]

I still want to know what my alleged town tell is that was mentioned in the first phase

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Celirra

I still want to know what my alleged town tell is that was mentioned in the first phase

80% (maybe higher) of a time...

...It's fake news and they don't know what it is. Could be the way you posted something, or how you reacted to a post.

Having an emotional outbreak beginning of the game was likely the cause here from what I recall.

[blindreper1179]

So what was the bus/kill stack on sun about?

[Charu]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

So what was the bus/kill stack on sun about?

In short, Freezin ordered tps to busdrive thesunfan to himself so the kill would reflect back.

The reason they chose was for the illusion that there was a SK out there... which proved not to be of any use as you witnessed. If tps hadn't named another person to confirm after faking, then it might've been a different story.

[Celirra]

Oh yeah, sorry for that at the start of the game... I shouldnt have signed up but I didnt think life would hit me as hard as it did
Sorry to shyto especially


Also sorry for all the spam

[Tps222]

Originally Posted by Charu

In short, Freezin ordered tps to busdrive thesunfan to himself so the kill would reflect back.

The reason they chose was for the illusion that there was a SK out there... which proved not to be of any use as you witnessed. If tps hadn't named another person to confirm after faking, then it might've been a different story.

Nah because it was still heading towards a 4 person game regardless of who was confirmed town or not, because it would be an unwinnable situation for town if there was an SK/Wolf still alive.

[FreezinIce]

A very interesting game filled with good gambits (hijacking the wolf kill to take out dbp), some questionable ones (fakeclaiming, though I maintain it was the right choice given our situation), and bad ones (killing myself off and realizing later that f4 was kingmaker and we had no practical path to victory). I should have just tried to powerwolf through the xiz wagon suspicion instead of suiciding and betting the game on mechanics.

Nevertheless, gg town. Proud of how tps handled the endgame despite being in a very bad situation (of my own creation). My pick for mvp would probably be sunfan. Cel was probably overall stronger and had better instincts but his sunfan tunnel was not great.