Old 08-26-2004, 12:49 AM   #1
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All these statements are opionions expressed by MoP, before it got deleted, I am reposting this because there was no reason for it to have been deleted in the first place... So please read.

...and only uses his power to retain his admin status.

Makaveli did hardly anything to warrant a ban on the FFR Forums, but Arch decided to ban him anyways. Many other users postwhored more than him, flamed more than him, and were general assholes more than him (you shouldn't even need the examples I will provide if you have been here for a moderate amount of time.).

Hyrogashi: He whored, he was an ass, but he was cool. See: Makaveli.

COBOL: Not much to say here.

Ddrking133 and zildjian133: Trolls. Whores. Period.

Bballplaya: Or whatever his name was. This is the typical 13-year old acting stupid kind of person. Acting stupid about 50 times a day. And yet, he was not banned, but left due to peer pressure. Ain’t that something?

Sk8fan (or whatever): This was Bballplaya’s younger brother. He was like Bballplaya, except dumber. In addition, he made the UUA detector go off.

Moogy and IAMTHEEVILBEAN: Oh my goodness. Two major users, who for several months broke the rules consistently. This is not to say I have anything against them, but for a long time, they were not prime FFR users, to say the least. These two people in particular should be taken into account. They impinged upon the rules as much as Maka, but yet, they are still here today. They have, thankfully (for the most part) stopped the bullshit.

These people, not to mention all the others I forgot, and some trolls long-past (i.e. Cody and his posse).

To my knowledge (which I admit is not extensive, due to the under-wraps operations that have apparently been taken), the bannings of Makaveli and VxDx were not discussed with Synthlight before they were executed. If they were minor members, or had no value to anybody on the site, this would not bother me. But as it turns out, Maka and Vx had both made imprints on FFR, and were liked by many people.

Just not Arch.

Which brings us to another point: Arch has been carrying out his job with, shall I say, less then acceptable competence.

Arch is doing his administration work based primarily on his own opinions and feelings. If this were his own forum, that would obviously be acceptable. But now, look at the URL that is in your internet browser. And lo! It is not *removed*! We have a problem here.

Arch0wl is experienced in knowing when to lock threads. This, I am confident, we can all give him credit for. But the credit stops there. He has banned and deleted accounts without telling Synthlight, a blatant misuse of his power. He has tried to create rules to manipulate the forums to his liking (luckily, he swallowed his words rather quickly).

The biggest two blunders in his career were the bannings of Makaveli121212 and VxDx. We were not even told why they were banned the second time around. This does not surprise me—they didn’t do anything to warrant a ban.

But Arch went through with it anyway. What did it matter to him? He thought that VxDx, in specific, “didn’t deserve to be on FFR”.

That shows blind hatred, and more on the issue, poor administrative techniques. I will reiterate: This is not his forum.

Most of us, I am confident, would like some explanations. Stop beating around the bush. Stop avoiding the issues. Moreover, stop breaking the rules. Why were VxDx and Makaveli banned?

So many people liked them (and of course still do), so why do you put your own ambition in front of everyone else’s?
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Old 08-26-2004, 12:58 AM   #2
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I want to quit this website so bad

no one ever stops giving me shit

when will you people ever just grow up

in the past 2 days I've had to explian myself to like 30 people on aim

on aim

not even counting the forums

I can barely even spend time with anything because you guys are eating up so much of it and if I don't spend time to explain myself then you just give me even more shit for that

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I am reposting this because there was no reason for it to have been deleted in the first place...
... Are you kidding me? This is a flame just waiting to happen. =P

MoP, you make it seem like Arch did all that was done just because he felt like it and had the capabilities to do so. Regardless of how popular these users were, and what they contributed to the community, there is obviously more to the story than just “Arch banned them without explanation, but he said they shouldn’t be here, oh my god!.” Arch doesn’t exactly care for loads of people on the forums but hasn’t gotten rid of them, as you already said, and that’s probably because they didn’t go about giving him a hard time in particular.

You have to consider many other facts about all this as well. For one, Synthlight is a busy man and has other things to be doing instead of discussing with the other admins about who will be getting their account deleted and/or banned, when, and why. I assume some reasons Synth gave these powers to Arch is because he could trust Arch to follow through and take action if users were getting out of hand, as well as the fact that by making Arch an admin he knew he wouldn’t have to give anyone an “okay you can delete/ban *insert name here*” before they did so. He knew Arch would if he saw fit.

If you guys got as much constant shit as Arch does everyday, chances are you would fully understand why he has to be as strict as he is, but the majority of the users here are ignorant and opinionated beyond belief, so I might be wrong. You complain so much about how lame the forums are now (which doesn’t improve the situation, by the way.) and when Arch tells you to grow/shut up/stop whining and do something about it like big girls and boys, you accuse him of being a nazi admin, make it seem like everything is his fault, and then bring up all these past stories of how he was “terrible” to prove your points. But Arch has many qualities that several who complain don’t, and those are logic, common sense, and reason for what he does.

You whine so much about Arch changing rules to decrease stupidity. Why? For those who complain about how the forums have turned to shit, getting rid of one of the most intelligent users around sure wouldn’t make the place any better IQ wise.

What is the real reason of this thread anyways? Even if it brainwashes the many mindless users that make up this community, and creates some kind of “Anti-Arch Cult”, then what? Complain to Synth and ask for Arch’s powers to be removed? No. Not only does he have enough to deal with, if he didn’t want Arch as an admin or didn’t think he could handle it, he wouldn’t have made him one in the first place.

So it’s up to you guys to just deal with it and stop giving the FFR staff such a hard time about every little thing that isn’t going the way you’d like it to. If you don’t like the way this forum is run, no one is making you come here, so leave without making a scene and move on.
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if you explain in the forum for once then people won't keep on asking you =p..........
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87x you fucking retard go rape babies you don't deserve admin. I don't see you trying to help anything.

and plus there are nothing wrong with moogy and bean, THEY ARE ACTUALLY FUNNY.
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Wow...ArchOwl is an admin? When did this happen...0.o
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Wow...ArchOwl is an admin? When did this happen...0.o
6 or so months ago
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Wow, I believe this is the beginnings of an epic flame war that will have long-lasting effects. Or I'm wrong.

Anyway, here's my 2 cents:

I can see Maka and Vx being very aggravating to an admin. They do things that are a bit severe. But, really, they do end up saying funny things that overall make FFR funnier. Granted, if everyone did the stuff they do, it would be utter chaos. So I guess they do deserve some kind of punishment... but banning seems too severe, assuming it was perma-ban. I can't truthfully say what I think they deserve, since, as far as forums go, it's either banned, or not banned. There may be a verbal warning here or there, but I don't think Maka and Vx would be very effected by one of those. I guess I can neither support nor protest Arch's actions there.

As for 87x resubmitting MoP's quote, I am all in favor of it. The one power I don't think mods and admins should ever use, except under severe situations, is deleting a post. Editing is iffy as well. Now, if someone submitted a picture of goatse or something like that, completely understandable. But, if someone flames like a retard and makes an ass of themselves, let it stay there. If that becomes a flame war, lock it to try and calm the fire, but at least you're still leaving what was said there. I know the first ammendment doesn't apply here, due to the agreement we all signed when we joined, but I believe in freedom of speech as much as possible. I would criticize Arch's decision to delete that post, as opposed to locking the thread.

I guess overall, since the topic is becoming "Is Arch a good admin or not," I'd say he's got good qualities and bad. I've seen him do some ridiculous things, and I've seen him do some awesome things. So, as an admin, he's neither terrible, nor "HOLY FUCK AWESOME MAN 900%!!!!" And I think he gets a little bit too much shit.

Those were my statements that may or may not be proven ridiculous due to the fact I'm tired and lack the energy or desire to think this out well.
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Ehehe, I've been away longer than I thought! Anyways, a belated congrats to you then, I know you wanted to be an admin a while ago...having any regrets now?
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God, that post was like a Michael Moore movie.

I'm not going to take a stand on anything, but I will say what I've observed.

First of all, Arch takes far too much shit. He takes way more than any other admin, by far.

Second, he asks for it. Whether or not he realizes what he's doing, if you make controversial moves like pass radical rules without consulting Synth or the forums and ban people when there's public response to get them back, you're going to get attention, and it won't be positive.
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I don’t think any of you realize how long it takes to get a response from Synth. You make it sound like he’s just some laid back guy relaxing in a lazy boy recliner, eating cheetoes, watching “the game” while waiting to give his word in an instant on any trouble the other admins report.

But that’s not the case at all. He’s busy, and it can take up to two hours or more before Arch can get Synth to realize a problem, let alone confirmation to do anything about it.

Why wait hours for something Arch0wl can get taken care of at the push of a button? If Synth really doesn’t agree with Arch’s actions whenever a conflict is brought up, or a rule change, bans can always be undone, accounts can always be recreated, and rules can once again be restored to what they once were.
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I don’t think any of you realize how long it takes to get a response from Synth. You make it sound like he’s just some laid back guy relaxing in a lazy boy recliner, eating cheetoes, watching “the game” while waiting to give his word in an instant on any trouble the other admins report.

But that’s not the case at all. He’s busy, and it can take up to two hours or more before Arch can get Synth to realize a problem, let alone confirmation to do anything about it.

Why wait hours for something Arch0wl can get taken care of at the push of a button? If Synth really doesn’t agree with Arch’s actions whenever a conflict is brought up, or a rule change, bans can always be undone, accounts can always be recreated, and rules can once again be restored to what they once were.
Reguardless of how hard it it to contact Synth, that's still why Arch gets so much shit. Like Anti said, IF Arch would do that, and not make such radical decisions, THEN he wouldn't get so much shit.

Plus, I bet Synth is just watching "the game". He has FFR minions (those who have sold their soul to FFR) do all his other work for him.
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I remember a lot of people saying VxDx deserved to be banned.

Note that I am not one of them.

He probably got banned the second time around for ban evasion. This is not an uncommon practice among web forums.

And funny, I don't recall people getting up in arms when Spook was less than five minutes away from banning Moogy, Bean, Privateer and myself. I guess people only object to an admin's actions when it's someone they don't like.
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I respect Arch very much, but I do think it was stupid to ban Makavelli and VxDx, when there are plenty of other people who deserve it MUCH more (ddrking133, among many others). And justaguy, don't post stuff like that for no apparent reason. Either you didn't read the post, or you are a complete moron. 87x did nothing to deserve that comment.
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Plus, I bet Synth is just watching "the game". He has FFR minions (those who have sold their soul to FFR) do all his other work for him.
Not quite, he has plenty of other things to do, which is why he has these other admins in the first place. Also, I'm more than positive that another one of the reasons he has "minions" is so he doesn't have to be bothered when there's an issue or give the "okay" for them to carry out and take action when trouble comes about.
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Reguardless of how hard it it to contact Synth, that's still why Arch gets so much (#$%.
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Plus, I bet Synth is just watching "the game". He has FFR minions (those who have sold their soul to FFR) do all his other work for him.
oh you're one funny boy

response time from synth is usually 30 minutes to two hours, usually takes him two hours to do something, and there's far too much chaos on this site to contact him about every single thing that I do. Carly also forgot to mention countless times where it takes longer than two hours, or I never get a response, and Synth ALWAYS being away doesn't help much aesthetically for IMing him. if you expect me to contact synth even a fourth of the time I do stuff you're out of your fucking mind.
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Yeah, I already said most of that, didn't I Arch? Common sense would tell you the rest. I mean, in the past two posts I made I just basically repeated myself. Are you guys reading these posts and letting the facts sink through your thick heads before you're replying? Or are we just using too big of words and you can't understand? =[
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Minions != admins
Minions = 3'6" demons that walk around Synth's house and code all day. Or zombies.

Come on, that wasn't even an attack, that was purely madness. Stop getting so defensive.

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response time from synth is usually 30 minutes to two hours, usually takes him two hours to do something, and there's far too much chaos on this site to contact him about every single thing that I do. Carly also forgot to mention countless times where it takes longer than two hours, or I never get a response, and Synth ALWAYS being away doesn't help much aesthetically for IMing him. if you expect me to contact synth even a fourth of the time I do stuff you're out of your fucking mind.
I'm not saying you should run to Synth for every fucking thing that needs to be done. Personally, I think you're a great admin, and you use your power wisely. I'm just saying, the REASON all these people are at your throat is you made a drastic action. Now, if you had a temp ban, or something, I think that would be a lot different.
Somebody's gotta do the dirty work, and half of that is taking crap. You don't have to keep explaining yourself to everyone; if enough people ask, and you're sick of it, make a topic! I'm sure you're very familliar with communication, and how it's done, so all of this is meaningless. Just don't take my light-hearted jokes as attacks!

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Well, the thing is, this stuff happened in front of everybody. If people were to see what happened with us, they would go just as crazy. Well, worse because you and I especially didn't deserve to have to defend our accounts from being deleted, Kilga.
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double equal is used for checking if something is equal to something, not defining.

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