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Old 07-25-2004, 05:08 PM   #21
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I don't believe in weak-mindedness. No, I don't think it's true. Tell me, what can make a person 'weak-minded', per se? Is it genetic? Is it a disease? Is it poor parenting? You can't be diagnosed with a 'weak mind'. There is no standard for 'weak mind'. If I asked you to show me a 'weak-minded' person and explain why, you would not be able to do it. To me, the phrase 'weak-minded' is really just substituting for the word 'lazy' or 'scared'. A person CAN NOT be 'weak-minded'. If you want to do something, you do it. There IS NO physical or mental barrier stopping you. The ONLY THING that stops you is yourself.

I refuse to believe differently. No, it's not so much a 'belief'. That's a bad word. Rather, I am CONVINCED that it is not possible to be 'weak minded.' People who fight through cancer using their own willpower have convinced me of that. People who run into a burning building to save others have convinced me of that. And people who quit a physical addiction to a drug, pill or cigarette have convinced me of that. And I will not be convinced otherwise.
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I just don't get it. Theie argument is 'I can't quit, I'm addicted'... So what? There's nothing stopping you from not smoking, nothing but yourself. Put forth some effort and actually do something about it. Like anti said, he broke OCD with will power which is much more serious then your typical 'I can't stop, I'm addicted'. Realise you're endangering not only yourself, but everyone around you and freaking do something about it.
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i like my avatar, hate smoking, dont worry about me, DONT WORRY ABOUT ME
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:34 PM   #23
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Yeah, who said that obesity was a bigger epidemic than smoking? Um.... check the fucking statistics dude. Smoking kills more people in North America than anything else. Nuff said.

Being someone who's quit smoking cold turkey, even after 8 yrs of chain smoking all the time, I know what it's like to quit, and quite frankly, Anti is RIGHT. There is no excuse that you can't use your own fucking willpower to stop doing what you're used to doing all the time, just get over it, fuck.

Also, i hate these stupid cockbites who're like "Well at least smoking weed does something for you." Bullshit. It hurts your lungs just as much, and it kills your fucking brain cells, all so you can be High for an hour? Not really worth it if you ask me. Mind you, i do smoke the odd doobie now and then, but it, by no means, makes me think its okay, i still believe it is completely stupid, and i tell myself i'm stupid for doing it.
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Old 07-25-2004, 06:47 PM   #24
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The thing is, marijuana DOES help certain people. It has been proven to help people out who go through chemothreapy, and relieves the pressure in the eye.
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Old 07-25-2004, 06:51 PM   #25
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The problem with using the "I'm additced" excuse is that it promotes the idea that more and more people are not responsible for their actions, and this spreads to other problem areas. (And yes, will lead to the downfall of our civilization as we know it.)

Yeah, there's a big list of issues, attitudes and natural disasters just waiting to bring us down, and smoking is one of them. In fact, it's kind of like a big race to see which one will do it first.
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Old 07-25-2004, 11:55 PM   #26
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I'm all for Anti's treatment plan, although legally hospitals aren't constitutionally allowed to do that, that's what would have to be done if anyone were at all serious about it. Unfortunately, all the people who could do stuff make millions of dollars off tobacco every year. Fk'd system, the only thing we can do is persuade everyone that its the dumbest thing alive.

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Old 07-26-2004, 03:38 AM   #27
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I was not saying that people who claim to be addicted are weak-minded....I was saying that there are some people who think that smoking is the way to go, and have no want or desire to quit. Look at my grandfather. He doesn't say "I am addicted" he says "I don't want to quit, I like smoking, get away from me." To me, that is weak. Weak-minded, weak sauce, =) whatever....it is weak all the way around.
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Old 07-26-2004, 05:41 PM   #28
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Old 07-26-2004, 06:18 PM   #29
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I feel sorry for the kids because not only are their parents going to die, they'll probably die right along with them because their parents were morons.
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Old 07-26-2004, 06:47 PM   #30
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My grandmother died from smoking, as did many others in his family.
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Smoking is just one of the many ways that the world proves that people are stupid. I mean we go through class after class in school telling us exactly why smoking is stupid and how it is going to kill you, and nevertheless, millions of kids begin smoking anyway. What the fuck is wrong with these kids?

Anyway, I always felt that one of the worst part about smoking is the smell that gets into EVERYTHING around you. I have a lot of friends who smoke, and while I try to keep some distance from them when they bring out the cigerettes, sometimes its not possible. And after sitting in the smoke for just a little while, my clothes smell. I smell. Worst of all, my hair smells (I'm quite sensitive towards my hair). Its horrible. I really don't understand how smokers can stand having each and every one of there possessions smelling like that, let along themselves. My friend's grandma has one of the most beautiful houses I have ever seen, yet when I walk inside I can barely breath since the smell is so bad (she has smoked in that house her entire life).

Gah. I'm so glad that smoking is banned indoors in almost every public place where I live.
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Old 07-26-2004, 08:29 PM   #32
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*looks around..... Not many smokers in this thread. Sorry for trying to create a debate :P
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Old 07-27-2004, 02:36 PM   #33
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My grandmother died from smoking, as did many others in his family.
Interesting.
Fuck.

My grandmother actually died from smoking, but my grandfather smokes, too, as do (and did) many people in his family.

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Old 07-28-2004, 12:52 AM   #34
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I agree with your (Anti's) ideas but not your plan to get rid of smoking.
Now, I hate smoking. Yeah, like some people mentioned, the smell gets everywhere, and secondhand smoking kills. So it's more than a nuisance

But the fact is, not everyone has the willpower to get over it. They started smoking, they made a mistake, and now they're addicted. They often realize that mistake now. I've known people who wanted to quit, but said they can't. And while you say that's bullshit, the fact is, instead of punishing those who smoke, I think it's better to try to help people not to smoke. A plan to help people quit and stop people from starting, I think, would be better than a plan to punish those with cancer, so to speak.

But! On the other hand, the fact of the matter is that "my" plan is already being done. Children are taught not to smoke, and there are tons of anti-smoking commercials, ads, and other anti-smoking 'movements.' Now, they aren't giving out free nicotine patches, but nonetheless...

Sheesh...how many times did I say "fact" in my post
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Old 07-28-2004, 01:03 AM   #35
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i agree smoking is really dumb. about the legislation thing, that would never pass.
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Old 07-28-2004, 01:53 AM   #36
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i am a smoker, i hate being addicted to it but there isnt much i can do about it. i guess i could quit if i really wanted to but it is hard. about the idea of refusing people the right medical attention that they need YOU ARE A RETARD!!!
people should be able to smoke if they want to. but i do think that they need to have more restrictions on where you can do it. because i know that people dont like the smell of cigarettes it is nasty. i iknow that in several cities that are in minnesota you cant smoke in bars and resturaunts. but to completely strip people of thier right to smoke is irrational and to take away the right to recieve medical care if they did it to themselves they should be able to pay for the care they had. i know that this sounds like a bunch of crap because i myself am a smoker. but i still know what i am doing to myself and i know other people dont want to deal with the burdens that they bring.
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Old 07-28-2004, 02:14 AM   #37
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I hate smoking, and I agree with the "getting over it yourself" thing.

I used to think I couldn't stop biting my nails. For as long as I can REMEMBER, like literally my whole life, I've bit my nails. I was probably about 3 when I started. I have no idea why. I have really thin weak nails now, but I've stopped biting my nails a few months ago. I did try to stop once before but it only lasted a year. Hopefully this time it lasts longer. I'm doing better this time.. I have very few urges.

I do however still pick my toenails. At least I dont' bite them :\ I need to stop that too. argh.

You just have to figure out what makes you do it less. For me, it's keeping my nails trimmed to a short length that doesn't bother me. At first I made the mistake of letting them grow out long, that just made me bite all over again... but if I keep them trimmed, the urge to bite dies down. I'm letting them grow a tiny bit longer with each passing month. I've been doing this since Valentine's Day (yes, corny... but it was a gift... :P)
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I used to bite my nails, then one day I just stopped. I do not think I can honestly give anyone a reason as to why or how, but I did. It is nuts.
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But the fact is, not everyone has the willpower to get over it. They started smoking, they made a mistake, and now they're addicted.
Which is why, as part of future legislation, government sanctioned addiction therapy and mediation would be available as part of Medicare. No point in telling people they can't smoke and not helping them. That's what this whole thing is about- helping people. Cause I can freakin' promise you that if you're faced with a certain death wish, you're not gonna smoke, and you're gonna try your damnest to quit.

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i am a smoker, i hate being addicted to it but there isnt much i can do about it.
Here's an idea- you could quit. There ya go. You could get therapy, you could chew nicorette, you could even go cold turkey. But you're not going to do any of those because it's easier to say "well, I'm weak, I can't handle it." Bullshit. Anybody can quit. It's just a matter of how much you want to.

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people should be able to smoke if they want to.
First of all, no they shouldn't. Secondhand smoke is worse for others than the actual smoke you inhale. So you're hurting everyone around you, and stinking up the place as well. Secondly, even if you only did it in the privacy of your own home, you're pretty much guarenteed to get cancer. So by smoking, you're also wasting federal tax money, money that came from non-smoking citizens like me. I know that I sure as hell don't want that 7.5% of Medicare tax taken off my paycheck just so you can get a lung removed. You want to pay for it? Go right ahead. But then we delve back into the whole human rights thing, and how the rich shouldn't be above the poor.

Death is a wonderful equalizer. To me, if you smoke, you die. It's a death wish. And I don't think that should matter if you're rich, poor, black, white, gay, straight, or anything else. Death is death. Deal with it.
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Old 07-28-2004, 01:03 PM   #40
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i hate being addicted to it but there isnt much i can do about it. i guess i could quit if i really wanted to but it is hard.
It is obviously hard to quit once you are addicted, but like Anti said if you really want to then you can. There are a lot of things to help you quit, too. I think that saying that is is "hard" (which it is) is just an excuse to not quit. Everyone knows it is hard, but you could say that anything is hard. I mean would you give yourself a reason to skip a test because it is supposed to be hard? That is similar to a smoker saying that "I'm not going to even try to quit because it will be hard". I think anyone can quit if they at least try. A lot of things in life are hard to stop and hard to overcome, but if you don't even try to overcome those problems (smoking being one of them), and then you make up an excuse because you have your mind set to the fact that you can not quit or overcome the problem. Smokers just need to set their mind to it that they are going to quit and get some help. If you try hard enough and don't give lame excuses of why you can't do something because it is "hard" then I think that many people can overcome problems, one of the problems being smoking.
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