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Old 03-14-2011, 08:22 AM   #281
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Default Re: Massive 8.9-magnitude quake hits Japan

An explosion that causes the spread of nuclear material is NOT a nuclear explosion...!

A nuclear explosion involves a nuclear reaction where typically a very critical mass of enriched uranium atoms are smashed together or compressed to cause a fission ('splitting') reaction, or hydrogen atoms are fused together.


A nuclear power plant is not capable of ever causing this specifically because it doesn't carry the specific materials necessary for the reaction, nor is the reaction ever going to undergo the appropriate conditions necessary for exponential fission/fusion required in say the atom bomb.

The difference between this reaction and a nuclear power plant exploding and spreading nuclear waste is that of energy. Obviously a nuclear explosion releases exponentially more energy than a traditional explosion, because of the exponential nature of the fission reaction.


Though, as a scary little tidbit of information, the energy released from this current earthquake is somewhere around 1,000,000 times more than that of the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. Thankfully most of that energy dissipates into the ground, but that doesn't help much.

(For those skeptical of this claim, Japan Earthquake converted to an explosion: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/...00&zm=9&op=156 . Here, however, is the Hiroshima bomb: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/...1&zm=12&op=156 )


Anyway, it's clear that there are serious misunderstandings about nuclear plants here.


For the record, Japan's nuclear safety agency has said there is "no possibility" of a Chernobyl-style disaster at the Fukushima 1 plant, local media quotes national strategy minister Koichiro Genba as saying.

The US Seventh Fleet has moved its ships and aircraft away from the stricken Fukushima plant after discovering low-level radioactive contamination, Reuters reports. The aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan was some 160km offshore when its instruments detected the radiation in a plume of smoke and steam released from the crippled plant. But officials said the dose of radiation was about the same as one month's normal exposure to natural background radiation in the environment.


The catch being that this amount of radiation is largely irrelevant. You get just as much when you go to the dentist.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:49 AM   #282
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Though, as a scary little tidbit of information, the energy released from this current earthquake is somewhere around 1,000,000 times more than that of the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. Thankfully most of that energy dissipates into the ground, but that doesn't help much. ...
This whole little section just made me laugh. Seriously.

EDIT: Was looking for why it made me laugh. For the people that don't understand what Reach said in the quote I made:

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Basically, this scale is exponential, so that each number is many times the strength of the number below it. An earthquake with a magnitude of 2.0 is hardly felt, while a 5.0 earthquake releases the same amount of energy as that of the Hiroshima atomic bomb. An 8.0-level earthquake is so devastating that few buildings, roads, and people will escape its effects. Originally, Charles Richter took the smallest-size earthquake he could record at the time and gave it a magnitude of 0. Because today’s instruments are so much more sensitive, scientists can detect even smaller earthquakes that are given negative magnitudes. The highest Richter earthquakes were measured at 9.0.


Link = http://library.thinkquest.org/C00360...strength.shtml

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Old 03-14-2011, 09:07 AM   #283
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This whole little section just made me laugh. Seriously.

EDIT: Was looking for why it made me laugh. For the people that don't understand what Reach said in the quote I made:



Link = http://library.thinkquest.org/C00360...strength.shtml
Why exactly is that funny though? >_>

Personally, it's a damn good thing the energy dissipates into the ground itself and not onto the surface. Otherwise, I mean, this Earthquake is 10 times more powerful energy wise than even the Tsar Bomba, a bomb that would instantaneously annihilate the entirety of Manhatten and all surrounding areas, and flatten everything else for about 20 miles.

(Japan Earthquake converted to an explosion: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/...00&zm=9&op=156)
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Old 03-14-2011, 09:24 AM   #284
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An explosion that causes the spread of nuclear material is NOT a nuclear explosion...!
I know you weren't referring to a nuclear explosion, but I thought you were saying that it wasn't possible for an explosion to happen unless someone went in and blew it up themselves, which is why I was confused. Also, I thought I saw somewhere that someone said it was physically impossible for a meltdown, but the news sources are saying they're melting down? That's all I was confused about, not necessarily about a "nuclear explosion."

As for the "funny" thing, I don't really understand what about it is funny. At first I thought it was a citation joke, but when I read it fully, it's about... the earthquake vs. the bomb???? Are you laughing at the comparison made between the earthquake and bomb? I still don't see how it's funny, personally.
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Old 03-14-2011, 09:38 AM   #285
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It's funny because I thought it was bull to be honest, reach. But, after reading that along with countless other articles, I was amazed. You learn something new everyday.

I mean, put it into perspective, two Atomic Bombs wiped out a lot of people and towns and everything. Putting that to an earthquake to someone who doesn't research science, it would have seemed foolish. But, alas, I was wrong lol
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Old 03-14-2011, 09:43 AM   #286
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I know you weren't referring to a nuclear explosion, but I thought you were saying that it wasn't possible for an explosion to happen unless someone went in and blew it up themselves, which is why I was confused. Also, I thought I saw somewhere that someone said it was physically impossible for a meltdown, but the news sources are saying they're melting down? That's all I was confused about, not necessarily about a "nuclear explosion."

As for the "funny" thing, I don't really understand what about it is funny. At first I thought it was a citation joke, but when I read it fully, it's about... the earthquake vs. the bomb???? Are you laughing at the comparison made between the earthquake and bomb? I still don't see how it's funny, personally.
Oh, no, that's not what I meant. Simple misunderstanding then. Of course an explosion could happen, I just wanted to point out that a nuclear explosion was not possible (Many people think that it is).

I said it was impossible for a 'meltdown' (not really a technical term in physics) to occur. I stated later that I was wrong, but didn't edit my post. That is all.

Technically I wasn't wrong though. It's not possible under normal circumstances, because of the safety precautions built directly into Japanese power plants to prevent it from happening in the first place.

However, when you have an earthquake that is so strong it potentially destroys the safety precautions, then it becomes a possibility. Hence, my correction.

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It's funny because I thought it was bull to be honest, reach. But, after reading that along with countless other articles, I was amazed. You learn something new everyday.

I mean, put it into perspective, two Atomic Bombs wiped out a lot of people and towns and everything. Putting that to an earthquake to someone who doesn't research science, it would have seemed foolish. But, alas, I was wrong lol
I re-edited the post with graphical proof of a conversion of the earthquake into an explosion when compared to the Hiroshima Atom bomb:


Japan Earthquake converted to an explosion: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/...00&zm=9&op=156 . Here, however, is the Hiroshima bomb: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/...1&zm=12&op=156
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Old 03-14-2011, 12:13 PM   #287
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I slept in bio class in Gr. 12, and also my chem class never went into the nuclear reaction topic (as far as I remember).
I only get a tad bit of what you are saying xd
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Though, as a scary little tidbit of information, the energy released from this current earthquake is somewhere around 1,000,000 times more than that of the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. Thankfully most of that energy dissipates into the ground, but that doesn't help much.

(For those skeptical of this claim, Japan Earthquake converted to an explosion: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/...00&zm=9&op=156 . Here, however, is the Hiroshima bomb: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/...1&zm=12&op=156 )
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:14 PM   #289
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Really? REALLY?

edit: and what was the death toll for Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
I know this was a few pages back, but I am speachless by some people, I really am.
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:34 PM   #290
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I know this was a few pages back, but I am speachless by some people, I really am.
Indeed.
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USA lost many lives on 9-11-01 and now Japan has lost more lives on 3-10-11. Add the 2 dates together and you get 12-21-12.

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Too bad it happened on Friday, March 11, 2011 at 05:46:23 (UTC) - Coordinated Universal Time.
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Old 03-14-2011, 04:41 PM   #292
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Holy shit reach that explosion conversion shows my house an hour away from NYC being pretty much destroyed with a 2psi shockwave, which I assume means insta-death for all people within. That's terrifying.

edit: and apparently all the glass in several states will shatter
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Old 03-14-2011, 04:44 PM   #293
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I'm glad people don't make 1,000,000 megaton nuclear bombs.
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Holy shit reach that explosion conversion shows my house an hour away from NYC being pretty much destroyed with a 2psi shockwave, which I assume means insta-death for all people within. That's terrifying.

edit: and apparently all the glass in several states will shatter
Well, I can scare you some more if you want

Tsar Bomba, an actual nuclear weapon that was dropped: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/...0&zm=10&op=156

Largest Earthquake on record (Chile, 9.5) converted into a ground level explosion: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/...00&zm=8&op=156

~6 mile wide Asteroid hitting the Earth at 100,000 mph (Equal to that which caused extinction to the dinosaurs): http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/...00&zm=3&op=156
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According to a nuclear scientists on CNN, he said that the term "meltdown" was used incorrectly and that a "meltdown" hasn't really occurred. He said the term "meltdown" is used to describe when the fuel rods themselves melt, which supposedly hasn't happened yet.

I'm getting sick of all these contradicting facts. -_-
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According to a nuclear scientists on CNN, he said that the term "meltdown" was used incorrectly and that a "meltdown" hasn't really occurred. He said the term "meltdown" is used to describe when the fuel rods themselves melt, which supposedly hasn't happened yet.

I'm getting sick of all these contradicting facts. -_-
Circumstances keep changing. Originally, they found cesium at the plant, which could have indicated a meltdown. When the first explosion occured, the most likely scenario was that melting fuel came into contact with water. When they realized the explosion was caused by vented hydrogen mixing with oxygen, meltdown became less likely but still hasn't been ruled out I think. You won't get solid facts for a long time, don't worry too much about it.

e: plus Japanese officials are being ridiculously tight-lipped and several high-profile people are speculating a cover-up.
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people can be so idiotic its sad god help me if i ever met one of these people out on the street.
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I would choke them to death with a pearl necklace and ditch their body in a harbor
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