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Old 05-31-2004, 11:14 PM   #21
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I eat meat because my dad will beat me if he finds out I am a vegetarian....naw, I'm just kidding, my Dad is dead.

Anyways, if I were to say there is any other reason than "It tastes good" as a means to justify the reasons as to why I eat meat, I would be lying. I eat meat because it tastes good; plain and simple. Beef Jerky, and Bacon are two of the top ten reasons why I live.

Do I feel sorry for the animals that gave their lives so that I can feed myself? Yes. But I also believe that when I die, my flesh will help provide the nutrients that make fertial land so that plants can grow.

If it were legal to eat humans, and they tasted good, I would. I do not think I am any better than animals lower on the food chain.
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Old 05-31-2004, 11:16 PM   #22
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I eat meat because:

-It's good and there is nothing else like it.(Tofu/soymeat is the devil)

-I'm 6'4" and 174 lbs. I need all the fat and protein I can get.

-With my metabolism, I need at least a little meat or else I'll need 5 meals a day. No joke.

I personally have no problem with vegetarians until they call me immoral or something of the like. And kudos with the Maddox reference, although he kind of sucks now.
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Old 05-31-2004, 11:20 PM   #23
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And in case I forgot to mention, our soil would be exhausted in decades if everyone went vegetarian. So vegetarians actually HURT more than they "help"
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Old 05-31-2004, 11:28 PM   #24
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Augh, if eating people were legal, I would go wendigo (sp?) in a heartbeat.

NOTE: Go watch the movie "Ravenous". It has sweet eating people music and will make you want to eat people.

I certainly don't feel bad at all for the animals I eat. That's how life goes. I think it'd be honorable to provide another with nutrition in death.

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Old 06-1-2004, 12:02 AM   #25
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yeah, i dont have a problem with the animals, its just that i think i can live healthier without it.
and its cheaper then meat.

personally vegitarians ennoy me. my sister is a veggie, she hates how cows get treated, so she wont drink milk. but here comes the twist! she loves cheese. and yes, my intire family has informed her many many times that cheese is made of milk.
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Old 06-1-2004, 04:10 AM   #26
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Yes, those dreaded words... "I'm a vegetarian!" she cries, and won't eat hamburgers and you don't know what to feed her. Tell her they're veggie burgers, perhaps?

So anyway, I really am a vegetarian, and I am of the belief that everyone needs some sort of reason why they are still eating animals. I'm not going to go veggie-nazi on anyone. I don't do that. I wouldn't like someone to go full-diet-nazi on me, so I don't do the opposite, even though I hold my beliefs strongly. Also, concerning my introductory statement, I hate veggieburgers because I mean really, if a vegetarian still needs to eat meat that badly, they should go ahead and eat it for god's sakes, and not make something almost like it that will never taste quite the same.

I will -never- deny that we evolved to eat meat. We moved up the food chain, up and up and up until we were at the top, and that's one of the reasons why humans are so successful. Nor will I deny that some meat can be healthy for you in small quantities (although some all-meat no-veggie diets are healthy, this won't work for typical people).

But the reason I don't eat meat or use products that uses a dead animal is because I personally believe that humans don't -need- to anymore. Or at least, -I- don't need to. I don't see a good reason to kill animals when we've got plenty of food sitting right in front of us. We have the will to choose what we eat.

Now, I like when people develop their own reasons why they eat meat. My boyfriend eats it because he thinks that living for death is better than no life at all - basically, cows and such are bred for human consumption, but if they weren't, the cows wouldn't have existed in the first place. It is better for them to have lived for us to eat, than for them to have never lived at all.

I accept that, and I accept pretty much everything except for the horrid: "I like meat" or "I think it tastes good!" That's equivalent to saying "I kill people because it makes me feel good about myself" and justifying it that way. It's unacceptable. Another reason is needed, and that one reason can be just about anything.

Humans have come so far. We're obviously smarter than just about any animal in just about any possible way. We have more freedom and we get to do what we like. We can choose not to live off eating other animals if we want to. That's why saying "Well why is it okay for the lions to eat meat and not for me?" doesn't work. Lions haven't come to our stage yet. Get me?

It's strange how the very existance of peaceful vegetarians irks the hell out of some people. Take this real interaction for example.

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I go to a pizza place and ask for a slice of garlic pizza. They say they don't have any in right now and it'll be 10 or 15 minutes. I sit down.
A guy sees this and asks, "Why would you wait so long for that? There's pepperoni right there you know."
Me: "I don't like pepperoni."
Him: "Who doesn't like pepperoni? It's good."
Me: "Ummm.. maybe me?"
Him: "Ohhhh are you one of those crazy hippie vegetarians?"
Me: "I guess you could say that."
He gets his pepperoni piece and starts moaning at me, "Oh my god I'M EATING A CUTE ANIMAL YUMMMMMM IT'S SO GOOD MMMMMMM!!! I LOVE THIS!!! I LOVE EATING ANIMALS!!"
I think of giving him the finger, but instead I just wait until he gets over himself.
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Now, I guess some people are like that, kinda Maddox-y and trying to make people angry, but what is the reason for that? I've also come across many "Anti-vegetarian" websites. No, not "Anti-pushing-their-diet-in-our-face-vegetarians", anti-all vegetarians. They truly believe that all vegetarians should go to hell and burn.

Would anybody happen to know why? It just makes me sad, because I'm the same species as them.


So I guess I'm asking.. what's your reason for eating meat? If you say "I like meat" I'll whack you with a baseball bat, for this is Critical Thinking, not "I like doing what people hate". Do you think it's healthier for you? Think animals belong to humans? Etc etc etc.. I don't care, just let 'em fly.

Or your reason for NOT eating meat, if there happen to be any vegetarians here? (which is highly unlikely, but it's worth a shot)


Edit: I need to clarify so I don't get flamed. Your reason could be "I like meat" if you believe something else along with it, like it's good for you or the animals dont' really need their lives anyway or.. or just about anything that shows that you actually know what you're doing and have thought about this sort of thing rather than just accepting the trend that society takes. There's just no excuse to be oblivious and say you eat meat 'cause you like it. Unless you're 12. Ugh, I'm no good at saying exactly what I mean in these situations. Well all right, if you flame me, whatever. I probably deserve it.
wow, vegetarian...



But why? doesn't do anyone much good... including you.

Can't remember where this was from but, here's a nice quote:
"For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat THREE!"

The human body is supposed to be taking in meat. There are ways around it, but there's really no point.
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Old 06-1-2004, 05:00 AM   #27
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"For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat THREE!" it came from maddox at http://maddox.xmission.com FIND THE FORUM ABOUT VEGETARIANS IT'll PUT THIS FORUM TO THE END, that reminds me i havent checked up on maddox in a while...
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Old 06-1-2004, 07:30 AM   #28
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You need IRON and if you don't eat meat you don't take in IRON. Taking pills to replace IRON = Not good unless you have a disease that makes your IRON low like my mom has. If you do become as vegetarian how about going back ok? Your better off for your health period.
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Old 06-1-2004, 07:38 AM   #29
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Do vegetarians eat vitamins? If they do then they can get much of the minerals and vitamins they miss by not eating meat.

I eat meat because I always ate meat and so I think it tastes good. If you grew up not questioning eating meat then you probably won't be a vegetarian.
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Old 06-1-2004, 07:44 AM   #30
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I've never questioned it and why start now,I don't want to die earlier or starve or have to ever think about eating vegetables my whole life. That's just stupid talk. Vegetarian's are basically wimps can't handle the nature of the circle of life,go read up on it ..god..
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Old 06-1-2004, 07:50 AM   #31
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You need IRON and if you don't eat meat you don't take in IRON. Taking pills to replace IRON = Not good unless you have a disease that makes your IRON low like my mom has. If you do become as vegetarian how about going back ok? Your better off for your health period.
Well, there are a bunch of people talking about supplements and how vegetarians have to take some, and I take none. I'm healthy.

Funny story: Awhile back, I got very very sick and hardly got out of bed for a few months. They didn't understand what was happening, and ran all sorts of tests on me but nothing turned up. Then they found out I was a vegetarian and assumed it was anemia or however you say that. They were like, "Oh, you're a vegetarian... stop that. Here, we'll test your blood and show you."

And the results came back...

Perfect, perfect, perfect. Perfect blood. Better than normal. I had the nicest levels of iron, protein, etc. So they asked me, do you take supplements? I had to say no. Needless to say they were very confused, but never did find out why I was sick. I got better.

So that's my story on why it's not unhealthy to be vegetarian if you don't throw your diet down the drain.

Just for the record, in case anyone asks, I eat a lot of rice, potatoes, grain bread, eggs... other stuff too but meh. Rice is my fave. And soup.
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Old 06-1-2004, 09:52 AM   #32
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I think we are above animals, or at least, I would like to think so. I like meat because yes, it tates good, and yes, it is good for me. I have a number of vegetarian and vegan friends (being a performance major for my first semester caused me to meet some interesting folks.) and I have no problem with them until they lecture me about how I am a terrible person because I am eating a hamburger. I respect anyone's decision to eat or not eat meat, but I just want you all to know that if it came right down to it, I would eat a human if necessary. =)
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Well Chrissi, you're not a real vegetarian. REAL vegetarians even refuse to eat eggs, because it comes from chicken.
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Old 06-1-2004, 06:42 PM   #34
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Vegitarians are just a sign of a wealthy nation, where people deny themselves food.
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Well Chrissi, you're not a real vegetarian. REAL vegetarians even refuse to eat eggs, because it comes from chicken.
wow....uhm...no. She is a vegetarian. Vegetarians don't eat meat. Vegans, on the other hand, which if you had half a brain you would know this, are people who don't eat animal flesh or by-products. Sorry about your rectal-cranial inversion....you should really have that looked at.
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ayanepuck, Verruckter is partially right.

Originally the word "vegetarian" meant the modern day meaning of "vegan". However, today, vegetarians are the ones who will not eat/use products that required the death of an animal. Vegans will not eat/use products that came from an animal at all.

Hope that helps. Basically you're both right, but really, if you want to get technical I'm an ovo-lacto-vegetarian. Ovo = eggs, lacto = dairy.

By the way, in no case can a vegetarian or vegan eat fish. If they do so, they are a pescetarian.

Most vegetarians do not eat gelatin(e) but some do, which is rather odd, because it's identical to eating meat. I guess it's just one of those rules that aren't set in stone and most people don't research enough to understand. Most vegetarians also avoid leather and suede, some avoid silk... me, I avoid all of them. There are other un-vegetarian-friendly materials.

Vegans can't wear wool. Myself, I don't think I'd wear wool either.

Obviously no fur.
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ah...no fur. Fur itches...that is the only reason I don't wear it...that and most fur coats and such are uglier than sin.
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My honest opnion has to do with the human physical features and psyche...although I am not a psychologist nor a physician, I know quite a bit about history and physical make-up f humans. (You know history, you know how humans think)

The only reason humans became more intelligent than any other species of animal is that we had a genetic mutation that caused a weak jaw. A weak jaw that allowed more cranial capacity than another animal, therefore allowing us to build tools. We used our newfound tools to not only fight our way to the top of the ecology but also to fight each other, eventually ending ourselves.

How does this relate to vegetarianism? We have used our knowledge to overpopulate, plunder natural resources, and slaughter many animals that we see as "lower" than us in order to feed our booming products of having sex all "willy-nilly"(Scott Adams). In reality it is much easier to consume plants and fungi only. You don't have to feed it anything except sunshine and water, whereas you have to feed cattle for many months or years before you can slaughter them. More calories for less cost. Benefit is larger than cost when everyone eats veggies. Extra money all over, which would ruin the economy if it happens too suddenly.

So society and the world would be better off ecologically and economically if we slowly lowered ourselves into total vegetarianism. More food for less, and we could continue life as it was, bt without meat. Several downsides first. With a growing population we would have less land on which to plant all these veggies. Second, we don't have a worldwide government that imposes strict enough laws to change the world so drastically.

In other words, we're smart, vegetarianism is perfect for utopia, and veggies can taste great; but it's no utopia here on Earth, it's Darwin's world. We are not the fittest physically, but we can make things that will obey us that are the fittest. Until we blow ourselves up, I'll eat meat for the sake of keeping the world normal.

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...Most vegetarians do not eat gelatin(e) but some do, which is rather odd, because it's identical to eating meat. I guess it's just one of those rules that aren't set in stone and most people don't research enough to understand. Most vegetarians also avoid leather and suede, some avoid silk... me, I avoid all of them. There are other un-vegetarian-friendly materials...

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Because gelatine comes from cow bones, wich means you must kill the cow to get its bones (duh).
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