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The APA says that "most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation". American medical organizations have further stated therapy cannot change sexual orientation, and have expressed concerns over potential harms. The director of the APA's LGBT Concerns Office explained: "I don't think that anyone disagrees with the idea that people can change because we know that straight people become gays and lesbians.... the issue is whether therapy changes sexual orientation, which is what many of these people claim". The American Psychiatric Association states, in a 2000 position statement, that they oppose "any psychiatric treatment, such as "reparative" or conversion therapy, which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that a patient should change their sexual orientation. Similarly, United States Surgeon General David Satcher issued a report stating that "there is no valid scientific evidence that sexual orientation can be changed". Last edited by Squeek; 05-11-2009 at 07:04 PM.. |
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You wanna get the gay to go away? PORN IS THE ANSWER. I mean those ****ty strip teases of females. None of that man on woman thing.
But to be more serious: ****ing morons his parents are. Sorry guys, but praying won't change your genetics. Edit: Forgot to add, I'm not against people who are Gay. You can't help who you are. In fact a lot of my friends are Gay or Bi. |
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What would they do if he left? Seriously? It's not like he would go to jail cause homosexuality isn't a crime. What would his parents disown him? Anyway my point is he doesn't have to stay there and I don't believe that he would get into any trouble. And how the hell are you supposed to 'pray the gay away'? I know they are trying to turn him straight but its not going to happen. I believe people are born gay they don't make that decision when they get older. So there is no way to make him like girls.
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I said that was the difference, because it's not like they kill the kids at camp.
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Do it. Be a man.
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Though, I should note this is futile, given he quite clearly stated: "I believe that it's a choice, and none of you are going to prove me otherwise by any amount of argument" Which is obviously an outstanding philosophy to have. It's also probably the exact same philosophy the parents have that are forcing some kid to go to a camp that ...is at best a practice in futility that can only do more harm than good to a child. =/
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While I definitely am angered by this whole Jesus camp issue, remember that psychology is NOT the answer to everything regarding humans. Even in Squeeks post, there is a contradiction.
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Now, moving forward with the whole "you shouldn't try to cure them" or whatever. Please remember while reading that I don't condone proactive treatment or therapy (essentially seeking out gays/lesbians and trying to convert them to heterosexuality by any means), but I do think that treatment and therapy should be available for those who seek it, and I think that centers that offer such services are doing great work. And, once again, in case someone tries to quote me somewhere down the line and say, "SEE YOU ACTUALLY DO THINK THE CAMPS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA," allow me to say that I think "Pray the Gay Away" camps are silly. I am a Christian, and I believe that the Bible says plenty of things about how homosexuality is wrong. However, the important thing to realize here is that camps like these are guilty of viewing the Bible's more archaic views on many modern controversial issues as irrefutable truth, which you simply can't do, and which is why I disagree with their agenda as a whole. It is unnecessary and counterproductive to try to link homosexuality with religion in today's culture because there are many different religious views, and there is also a vast amount of people who don't believe in religion at all. With that said, let's continue. Quote:
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In closing, allow me once more to apologize for my previous statements. I did not intend to incite anger by stating that I believe homosexuality is a choice. It is, as I mentioned earlier, not my true view on the issue. I don't think being homosexual is a choice, but I think wanting to not be homosexual is a conscious choice, and it's a choice that quite a few people have made, and who continue to make every day. Hopefully, NFD, your friend will not be caused any undue harm by being forced into one of these camps. If I had any advice for you, it would be just to continue accepting your friend for exactly who he is, no matter what happens. That will mean so much more to him than probably anything else he will experience at that camp.
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Because the institute designed solely around "converting" homosexuals CLEARLY isn't biased, unlike the American Psychological Association. It's right there in their name: Therapy for Homosexuals. Homosexuals don't need therapy, unless you mean for the same things Heterosexuals and Bisexuals need therapy for: when their life sucks.
Also, the conflicting statements? They're not conflicting. The APA says "most people experience little to no change" and the other organization says "we know some people can change" Edit: I didn't even need this to know NARTH was clearly anti-gay, but here we go: http://www.truthwinsout.org/narth Also, my quotes all come from Wikipedia. What, you thought I did research? |
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What you're missing here I think is that NARTH is not proactive about its views. That is, it doesn't seek out homosexuals to "convert" them, it simply takes in individuals who've already decided that homosexuality is not their desired lifestyle. Yes, it says "Therapy for Homosexuals" and they do provide therapy, but they're not anything like how you or the website you provided are characterizing them.
I'm not of the mind to defend an organization I have no involvement in. You said that various organizations had stated that there was no evidence at all that reorientation therapy was beneficial. I used NARTH as a vessel through which to show you otherwise. I don't care about NARTH, I care about the research featured on their website. EDIT: Quote:
EDIT (the second): Also, it's not like truthwinsout.org is necessarily fully unbiased. It was created by Wayne Besen, who himself is gay. You're telling me that a website devoted to counteract ex-gay movements, founded by a gay man, isn't biased? Really? That's either ignorant, stupid, or naïve. EDIT (again): So I did a little more digging around on TWO (Truth Wins Out), and, in their discussion of the Spitzer Study, they quote Dr. Spitzer talking about how results are extremely rare, and to not take his findings out of context, etc. Groups like Focus on the Family (to which Dr. Spitzer had to send more than one letter requesting that they stop exaggerating his findings) are Christian-oriented, and while NARTH's founders hold Christian beliefs themselves, they are irrelevant to my point, which only has to do with the research they cited. If Dr. Spitzer encountered zero positive results in his study, he would have said that. But he didn't say that, did he? No, he said that in motivated patients, reorientation therapy was successful. Whether it's 1% or 2% or 99% doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that if he found at least one patient who accepted reorientation therapy successfully, it wouldn't mean anything other than that it was possible. It's unfortunate that Christian groups are taking out of context. They are likely of the same frame of mind as those who run the type of "Pray the Gay Away" camps to which NFD's friend is headed.
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oh no i'm rude
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don't tell mom
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she'll think it was a choice, and then she'll send me to rude camp and i'll have to hang out with other rude people
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