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Old 05-24-2004, 07:31 PM   #21
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Solution: Don't date anybody.

Wow, so easy. Sure, you remain lonely for a while, but you aren't DESPERATE, are you? I'm not perusing random sites for lovers or asking every girl in school just to go out on a date. I'm waiting for someone I see myself having a future with. This helped me reduce my searching from about 1,000 girls at my school to 3.

By the way, I'm almost 18 and still never dated. Somehow that seems like a big deal these days. I don't see how. It's not like I'm a complete geek that nobody wants to be with, it's that my selection process is extremely strict. Plus the fact that I hate it when girls do as was mentioned in the first post just to get ATTENTION. It's true, don't deny. Why else would you want to wear semi-see through shirts that cover 50% of your stomach? Buy a real T-shirt, wear it, move on. Don't flaunt. You attract negative attention that way.

Personally, I don't ever plan on having that deep of a relationship with anybody. I don't want kids, I don't even want to marry. I might change my mind later on, but right now this is where I'm set. College won't change my mind, I'm sure.

That's all I've got. Obviously nobody is going to listen objectively.

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Old 05-25-2004, 04:39 AM   #22
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This is a very strange and twisted thread.

I think you can do what you want with another person as long as they are into it. Who gives a shit about standards.
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Old 05-25-2004, 12:46 PM   #23
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Omg, i finally have to say that jamie is making sense. She might be portrayed as a "slut" to some, but if you look at it with reason, it makes as much sense as anything else. Guys go for what they want, when they want it, so why not girls?

Thank you jamie, finally, we agree on something.
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If anyone disagrees with what I said, let me clarify: I also disagree with what I said. I think it's just the way society views it, kthxbai.
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Old 05-26-2004, 08:48 AM   #25
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there seems to be alot of opinions from people who are against flaunting and easy fornication.....

i'll give my input with a slightly differnt view.

let me start off by saying i'm 20, lost my virginity on my 17th b-day, and have had sex with 2 people.

both girls were in long term relationships, but different scenarios... the first, i basically worked on her for 9 months until she finally relented into having sex (this isn't to say she wasn't greatly enjoying all the oral sex i was performing on her every single day for the 6 months before that)... that relationship broke up about 6 months after we had sex. we're still friends.

the other relationship i am still currently in. we met on june 24th 2003. first kissed on the 28th, had sex on july 2nd... and continued to have sex about 4 times a day until our trip in israel ended on the 8th. now, i live on the east coast... she lives on the west coast. we met in israel... so, when this started, neither of us planned on it being a relationship. she's just a nymphomaniac (only slept with 6 people though), and i have a raging hard-on 24/7... so we were both happy. then being together for an entire week, we learned so much about each other and it progressed... she came and stayed with me for 2 weeks last aug, and we've visited each other about once a month through this school year, and she'll be arriving in a week and staying with me for the entire summer...

but, getting back on topic... both relationships and situations are completely different... i just don't see how its such a big deal if girls are going to be cock teases. i feel like it is apart of the game, just another piece in the puzzle that guys have to overcome to achieve our goal.

i just feel that even though my current relationship started out as a week long sexfest romp in the desert, we were still able to start a strong relationship together, one where were trust each other even 3000 miles away. i think that it is mostly BECAUSE our sexlife is so good that our bond is so strong.

i'm sorry if this isn't completely related to the topic... i'm real bad at answering essay questions. heh.
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Old 05-28-2004, 03:54 PM   #26
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I have two theories on this subject.

1. The girl was peer presured into almost doing the act an example would be if the girl grew up in the wrong side of town where are the girls are like that so she wants to fit in but when's she's about to do it she realizes she doesn't or isn't ready to do it.

2. My second theory is a bit far fetched but it describes on of the girls at my school. Once upon a time in a relationship she was hurt by a guy. This realy pissed her off. Now subconciously or conciously she acts all sluty and dates as many guys as she can.

Now here's some thing I observed. Since Jam930 was the first girl to fight back against this topic. She gave me the impression that she IS one of these girls.
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Old 05-30-2004, 06:40 PM   #27
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Which basically comes down to the point in case: How come it SEEMS like a lot more girls ARE READY to have sex with you, yet that's not really the case at all?
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Old 05-30-2004, 11:49 PM   #28
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Maybe because the girl feels like she has to meet a higher standard by sucking in the guy with promises of sex, sadly that is the case with many of my friends and they all get dusted afterwards when they try to act clean about it.

Once again, I blame media.
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Old 06-2-2004, 08:56 PM   #29
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Borg, you stole my hapring grounds! The media is my world to bash.

THe Media (and Society, and most men) want women to by superficial and one-minded. Look at "The Swan" on FOX recently, and you'll see my point.

Most men (myself not included) want their woman to be owned by them and to answer to their call for anything. For many men, they are just objects to fill his desire. This will rub off where the woman will try to be this, but while still maintaining control of her life. Sometimes, it slips.
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Old 06-2-2004, 09:04 PM   #30
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Solution : Stop watching TV. It's bad for you. It really is. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING :O

In all honesty, TV and movies gives you horrible ideas on how to live your life. That's why so many people seem all the same. I've been TV-free for more than half a year now and I'm so much better off without it. What is TV anyway other than one big advertisement? You get a little of your show, but then it's more advertisements. And there's ads within your show sometimes. And the negative ideas...bad news influences... Stop watching TV.

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Old 06-2-2004, 09:17 PM   #31
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Hey, not all TV is bad. Shows that are Sci-Fi like Stargate are awesome! And comic book ones like Smallville are good, too. Just don't watch the junk like Survivor. Junk anything, whether it be food or TV, is bad for you.
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TV can be excellent; I heart the Science Channel and the History Channel.
Also, shows like Family Guy, Malcolm in the Middle, AquaTeen Hunger Force, etc. are good, but Smallville's the only TV I've watched since I went to college.

Also, if you avoid TV because it's full of advertising, you're also gonna have to avoid going out and society in general; advertising has permeated most every facet of our lives. I've learned to accept advertising. Of course, I don't let the things I don't want affect me, but if I see a commercial for a Pop-Tart, and I subsequently crave a Pop-Tart, I'll go get a Pop-Tart and admit without shame that advertising worked on me. It's too much of a hassle to try and deny advertising completely.

::looks at topic title:: Damn, I'm way off course.

Okay. TV has seriously warped the image of teenagers and younger adults with the image that sex is completely okay, and I'm sure that that image has affected many weak-willed teenage girls.

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Borg, you stole my hapring grounds! The media is my world to bash.

THe Media (and Society, and most men) want women to by superficial and one-minded. Look at "The Swan" on FOX recently, and you'll see my point.

Most men (myself not included) want their woman to be owned by them and to answer to their call for anything. For many men, they are just objects to fill his desire. This will rub off where the woman will try to be this, but while still maintaining control of her life. Sometimes, it slips.
Ugh, The Swan didn't help anybody. All it did was make me want to spend thousands of dollars to get surgically perfected but go through grueling hours of pain while in the recovery process. Thankfully, that feeling lasted for only 20 minutes. I feel sad that those women were put under the knife on public television, then again it may help their image if guys really don't care for how they used to look.
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Old 06-4-2004, 12:33 PM   #34
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Okay. Before I start, all girls or guys that might take offence to this, DON'T. I'm not trying to make a point or anything on both genders. Just my experiences that I've had.

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Also, i'm just glad that someone threw out the fact that girls are just as bad, if not WORSE than guys when it comes to stuff like this. With ALMOST every experience i've come across in the last, oh, i don't know, we'll say, EVER, has been GIRLS BEING SCANDALOUS. You know, cheating on their bf cuz they're SLUTS. Now i'm not saying guys don't do it, cuz i have guy friends who've done it.
I met a girl last year that found me attractive in every way. I liked her a lot too. It was going well for about six or some months, but then for the next two, she was such a b**** to me. I woundered, why?

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i'm just once again stating that girls seem to have this attitude where they think they're NEVER the wrong one in the relationship. I think they need to see that guys do have some valid points sometimes,
After the break up, she made it seem as though it was my fault. But a week later, she sent me an email about how much she cheated on me with a bunch of girls and guys she knew. But in the same email, she said that she still wanted me back and that she loved me still.

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the whole male gender needs to suffer for it.
And that's what she had me do. Suffer for her stupid s*** that she did to me.

Now that I told my little story, It's time to say what I was going to say. Sure, not all females do that, but there seems to be a selected two thirds of the population that brand themselves as sluts. WTF?! Can't these b****s stop thinking of sex and try to see what a guy wants instead? Not all guys want sex you know! Sure, every relationship will possably have sex, but just stop and think!
And for the guys that always think the same way, that goes for you too! Not all girls want to always have sex!

But it just so happens that almost every girl I've been with wanted to use me for sex. Even ones that wanted to date me. Sorry f***ers! I'm not a sex toy, or object!

Okay now. I'm done.
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Old 06-5-2004, 06:31 PM   #35
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okay, i kinda laughed at that, i will admit. :P

but still, some good points.

I haven't read this topic in a little bit, and i see people going off with media, and some new questions came up. Who the FUCK is falling for media bullshit?! Honestly? like come on people, think for a minute. Just because you see a car holding a happy family on TV doesn't mean your family is gonna be happy in it. To me, anyone who falls for advertising, is a tool. However! There ARE some exceptions to it.

It is okay to advertise movies. Showing people a general idea of the movie will get them to go. I admit, i fall victim to advertising for movies. However, it don't think its ALL advertising that does it. I notice i usually go to see a movie that i thought would make a cool movie at one point in my life, simply because of the ideas in the movie. The advertisements just make me want to go more.

Also a good advertisement is for Charities/Foundations, and their efforts. Things like "MS walk" or "Fundraiser for aids research" and definately "TRUTH ads" are worthwhile advertisement that i have fallen victim too, and its helped me realize the severity of certain problems in the world. Advertisements like this should be on more often than not.


Okay, with that said, BACK ON TOPIC.

I just think that if you are falling for this Media stereotype of how we are "supposed to be", then you're just dumb. And its not all media. Think about it. There has ALWAYS been guys acting like these arrogant assholes you see in movies and stuff. Guys didn't see that in a movie once, and start acting like that, I'll bet anything, they saw that, started laughing, and thought "Man, that's really how some guys think all the time, bout time someone showed it."
Same with girls. People have always been hurt by scandalous girls and finally someone decided to make them act like that in movies. Now, concerning both genders, if you go to a movie, and see a character acting like that, and are like "Wow, i wanna be like that," once again, you're a tool, and need to jump off a cliff.

All in all, NO ONE SHOULD SHOW/TELL how to act. I think you're perfectly capable of making up your own mind, attitude, and set of morals. If you have morals that somehow, some way of reasoning to make cheating seem okay, you need to explain it to me, because to me, you are one fucked up individual, and should seek advice and morals from other sources, cuz the one you got them from, is just idiocy.
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I believe media actually reflects the current culture, not the other way around. Movies and ads didn't become cynical first, it is the people who changed. We have a different culture now, and all that you see in the movies and ads is exactly what people think, but taken to an extreme.
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Some girls get their kicks off of talking dirty but aren't ready to take the step into sex in any way. A guy should never try to push a girl to have sex with her when she says no. No means no, regardless of how dirty she talks, how "slutty" she dresses, or how experienced she may or may not be. Even if she really is a "slut" and sleeps with guys all the time you know it, if she says no, you stop. It doesn't matter if she is or is not experienced. If she says no or that she is not ready, then you stop, no matter how bad you want that satisfaction and if you really care about her and don't just want to have sex with her, then you'll respect her decision and wait until she's ready.

Many, but not all, girls feel that they need to talk dirty or pretend to be some sort of mini sex symbol in order to keep guys' attention on them. It's obvious - if Britney Spears was always completely covered and she was not as beautiful in the face as she is now, then guys would not pay attention to her because the music she creates in general is not the kind most guys want to get caught listening to and her voice itself is not enough to keep people listening the way they do. Her voice is not powerful, but is pleasant to the ear most of the time. Christina Aguilera, to me, is not usually all that pretty but her voice is decent, though she does seem to try too hard sometimes and her voice breaks when she screams instead of actually hitting notes in a singing voice. LeAnn Rimes, however, can sing phenomenally, no matter what genre she sings. I've heard her sing rock, R&B, country, pop, gospel, and more - she's got a very wide vocal range that keeps people listening without having to take all her clothes off. Yes, she has shown a lot of skin in some photoshoots, but she does not do it all the time and is seen as a country music singer, which is not popular amongst most of the younger music audience, therefore you do not see her on MTV, etc. so the young girls who watch MTV do not see her and do not know about her - someone who people still love and she doesn't weigh 2 pounds and isn't the most glamorous and sexy woman in the world. She is a great role model for young girls. But if girls fall for the whole thing, she isn't all that smart. But I also don't think it's right to go off and say every "slut" was caused by Britney and Christina. It's a girl's own choice how she acts and how she lets her peers view her.

Plus, there is always the possibility of pregnancy. Tell me, guys, if you had to worry about getting yourself pregnant every time you had sex with a girl, would you have sex so much? If a girl gets pregnant, she has to take care of that baby and she is stuck with the baby but the guy is off scott-free. He doesn't have to worry about a baby, but if he has any honor in his bones, he'll stay with her and will help her take care of HIS child. Talking dirty can be fun and make you feel good, but when it comes down to it, many girls do not want to take the chance of getting pregnant or getting called a slut.

Face it: when a girl talks dirty a lot or has sex with her boyfriend or any other guys, she's a whore, slut, tramp, etc.
When a guy does the exact same thing, there is nothing wrong with it. He's cooler than a lot of other guys now because he can get some any time he wants.
Society is a hell of a lot harder on girls and the perfect girl than on guys. Guys can degrade girls (did you know that the slang term for the back seat of a motor cycle is "bitch pad" as in the girl on the back is the driver's bitch?) and talk about how they want a girl with a big butt or gigantic boobs and they're just being guys, but if a girl wants a guy who has a large penis, "WHAT A WHORE!"

A lot of girls find it hard to stray away from doing what it is they see guys like. Heck, just go to buddypic.com - those girls there will do almost anything to get high ratings, including walk around with their thongs hanging out.

All in all, when it comes down to it, the average guy will stick it anywhere to get his satisfaction and girls feel pressured to let them so they can keep their guys around.

It all comes down to RESPECT for yourselves and RESPECT for others and HONOR.

If you don't have honor, you have nothing at all.


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Old 06-8-2004, 07:29 PM   #38
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I think airman wins this topic!

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Men are just as responsible for acting like sluts than girls.
The phrase "man-whore" is getting said a lot at my school. Wonder why? They act just as bad as some of the other sluts. Another problem is with the fact that people seem to be able to get away with sexual harassment in my school. Girls butts are slapped every day without getting noticed and girls just slap any guy's ass they damn-well please. If both genders learned to keep it out of the public's eyes, this wouldn't be so bad but excess public exposure *cough* media! *cough* people seem to think everyone wants them to be like this. How can I tell, the people who don't watch movies or hate the movies that endorse being sexy at a young age never act like that.
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Fuck it all. Seriously it just comes down to everyone is into sex a lot more nowadays, and so you're gonna get more shit about it. This topic is never gonna end, but might as well get the obvious outta the way.
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