Cold Heart [84 or 81] - Page 2

**VisD** · 10-31-2014, 03:23 PM

If Cutthroat is an 81, this should probably be an 82.

Although the problem I have with that is that Ah Shwe Bah is 81, and its bursts are on average harder than Cold Heart's.

And Sleepmix [83] is harder than Cold Heart, because not only are there some really nasty bursts that stand up to Cold Heart's, those bursts are surrounded by jumpstreams and such that drain away at your focus. Cold Heart, being purely burst-based, allows for in-game recovery from burst to burst.

81/82

EDIT: Never mind I just played Ah Shwe Bah again, this is definitely harder than that. 82/83

**_Zenith_** · 10-31-2014, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gold stinger

The jacks in the song aren't really an issue for everyone, because it's hand biased, and you can set mirror or not.

I have done this countless times already, and I'm still having the most issue with the first half of the song. It's either mess up on the 1-400 non-mirror, or it's mess up on the 400-1034 on mirror.

I'm still holding my opinion on 81-83, but it would have to be a high 81 if it were considered that low. 82/83 is more optimal, especially how everyone is skilljumping like mad lately.

**gold stinger** · 10-31-2014, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by _Zenith_

especially how everyone is skilljumping like mad lately.

really doesn't feel like I'm skilljumping like mad, just a couple of songs lately have been called to be harder than they actually are.

Ehhen Doyadosu? Tenguijiman is harder than Cold Heart and is an 82.

Halcyon [xi] is harder than Cold Heart and is an 81.

Might be just me, idk anymore. I think Cold Heart is high 80/low 81.

**dell2150** · 10-31-2014, 03:45 PM

Does the difficulty go by FC'ing? AAA'ing? Something else? Cause the file is really easy in terms of speed, patterns, manipulation possibility, length etc etc in terms of how it plays it feels.. insanely easy. Electro v2, Wraith etc other files people have mentioned are much harder to FC because they demand more stamina or speed etc they demand SOMETHING. However Cold Heart in my opinion is harder to AAA because with uneven rhythms, room for pattern manipulation, etc there is more room for stupid error to drop a good/boo.

For a personal example, it's technically and easily more FC'able than something like Etude for the Sinners (85), but I would probably be more likely to AAA Etude because it is much more straightforward. JS, a few jacks, and one fastish stream, as opposed to the "unpredictability" of Cold Heart. I say that in quotes because I'm familiar with the song from StepMania, and it is stepped well imo, so it's easily understood for me.

If I had to give a difficulty, I would personally rate it mid 81 to low 82. I don't think D6 would have so many AAAs so quickly and the worst passing score being 3 goods within the first hour of release if it were actually an 84. With that being said, it has (thus far) been very annoying and frustrating to attempt an AAA on, which is what I want with the tourney, a struggle xD so I'm happy with the choice.

**~Zeta~** · 10-31-2014, 04:34 PM

I don't get how you guys see it as 81 or lower lol. The bursts are pretty rough (way harder than sleepmix's.)

Note: Just because it's easier to AAA than some songs doesn't make it automatically lowered difficulty. If it wasn't a tourney song, it probably wouldn't have more than 10 AAA's for a long time.

**Poison-** · 10-31-2014, 04:44 PM

Cold heart is the most mindblockable file in the game and is like a 98 to me now

**Rapta** · 10-31-2014, 05:08 PM

I sightread 3 goods on it. I sightread 13 goods on The Heatstroke song. Just providing statitssssics (That's what happened when I tried to correct myself so I just left it alove).

**~Zeta~** · 10-31-2014, 05:27 PM

Personal scores don't mean anything in a rating.

**Rapta** · 10-31-2014, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Zeta~

Personal scores don't mean anything in a rating.

Hi19hi19: And to give the ever present personal reason, I got a better score on Djentrap in 4 tries than I had on both of these files that I had played twice as much.
Hell it took me 23 tries to get a score with over twice as many goods on bmv.578 and I still haven't gotten a clean FC on Powerpoints because of how easy it is to split the jumps.

**rushyrulz** · 10-31-2014, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rushyrulz

And as always, the pointless personal argument: I'm terrible at technical files, I don't even have an SDG on Beautiful Arrhythmia, but I AAAd Cold Heart within an hour of playing it.

personal experiences hold no credence in an argument about ratings, they're just there for informational purposes.

Especially for sightread scores

**krunkykai22** · 10-31-2014, 06:47 PM

Ehhen Doyadosu? Tenguijiman

This song is definitely NOT harder than Cold Heart..... /2cents

I can easily BF Ehhen, basically because it plays to my strengths, however if we judge based on performance than cold heart would be an 88 in my book because I can't do the file period.

However, I think the file fits well within range of 81-83, really it just needs to be looked at thoroughly and it's dependent on many different facts.

My choice = 83

**hi19hi19** · 10-31-2014, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rushyrulz

personal experiences hold no credence in an argument about ratings, they're just there for informational purposes.

Especially for sightread scores

Personal experiences only gain credence if there are a lot of them that agree, in which case it becomes a collective experience.

And difficulty ratings are literally meant to represent the collective judgment of people playing the file.

So personal experiences are worth mentioning, and despite never being the sole reason for a change, they are frequently an important part of a bigger reason.

**Dynam0** · 10-31-2014, 07:20 PM

Personal scores mean EVERYTHING in rating difficulty accurately. All you need to make sure of is having a large sample size and wala

**Tim Allen** · 10-31-2014, 08:31 PM

the file is incredibly short and the first third and last quarter of the file are something you'd find in an mid-upper FMO everything in the middle seems to flow well like rushy said and can be cheated easily i feel like if the chart were stepped past the cut (where it sounds like it picks up in intensity) or if the file had been stepped like it was in the middle throughout i'd be more comfortable with the rating but there's too much down time in a file this short for it to be a mid-FGO when the hard parts aren't that awkward or demanding

EzExZeRo7497 · 10-31-2014, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EzExZeRo7497

Thread approved, will give input when I wake up

nvm most of my ~onions~ have been posted in Adam/AJ/Zeta's posts

I really don't understand how any one of you are comparing this file to Wraith, -+, Cutthroat, Ehhen, Ultrasounds, Sleepmix or whatever at all. This is getting bumped down to an 82 regardless.

**AlexDest** · 10-31-2014, 10:08 PM

Not an 81. The pattern control you need to perfect this is nowhere near as much as the other 81s. Definitely more of an 82/83.

10-31-2014, 03:23 PM	#21
VisD FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,195	Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81] If Cutthroat is an 81, this should probably be an 82. Although the problem I have with that is that Ah Shwe Bah is 81, and its bursts are on average harder than Cold Heart's. And Sleepmix [83] is harder than Cold Heart, because not only are there some really nasty bursts that stand up to Cold Heart's, those bursts are surrounded by jumpstreams and such that drain away at your focus. Cold Heart, being purely burst-based, allows for in-game recovery from burst to burst. 81/82 EDIT: Never mind I just played Ah Shwe Bah again, this is definitely harder than that. 82/83 __________________ Last edited by VisD; 10-31-2014 at 04:14 PM..

10-31-2014, 03:45 PM	#24
dell2150 FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 34 Posts: 396	Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81] Does the difficulty go by FC'ing? AAA'ing? Something else? Cause the file is really easy in terms of speed, patterns, manipulation possibility, length etc etc in terms of how it plays it feels.. insanely easy. Electro v2, Wraith etc other files people have mentioned are much harder to FC because they demand more stamina or speed etc they demand SOMETHING. However Cold Heart in my opinion is harder to AAA because with uneven rhythms, room for pattern manipulation, etc there is more room for stupid error to drop a good/boo. For a personal example, it's technically and easily more FC'able than something like Etude for the Sinners (85), but I would probably be more likely to AAA Etude because it is much more straightforward. JS, a few jacks, and one fastish stream, as opposed to the "unpredictability" of Cold Heart. I say that in quotes because I'm familiar with the song from StepMania, and it is stepped well imo, so it's easily understood for me. If I had to give a difficulty, I would personally rate it mid 81 to low 82. I don't think D6 would have so many AAAs so quickly and the worst passing score being 3 goods within the first hour of release if it were actually an 84. With that being said, it has (thus far) been very annoying and frustrating to attempt an AAA on, which is what I want with the tourney, a struggle xD so I'm happy with the choice. Last edited by dell2150; 10-31-2014 at 03:53 PM..

10-31-2014, 04:34 PM	#25
~Zeta~ Flag Master Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Pole Age: 31 Posts: 2,156	Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81] I don't get how you guys see it as 81 or lower lol. The bursts are pretty rough (way harder than sleepmix's.) Note: Just because it's easier to AAA than some songs doesn't make it automatically lowered difficulty. If it wasn't a tourney song, it probably wouldn't have more than 10 AAA's for a long time. __________________ Last edited by ~Zeta~; 10-31-2014 at 04:36 PM..

10-31-2014, 04:44 PM	#26
Poison- Nope Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: London, ON Age: 29 Posts: 3,772	Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81] Cold heart is the most mindblockable file in the game and is like a 98 to me now

10-31-2014, 05:27 PM	#28
~Zeta~ Flag Master Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Pole Age: 31 Posts: 2,156	Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81] Personal scores don't mean anything in a rating. __________________

10-31-2014, 06:47 PM	#31
krunkykai22 <3 Jumpstream <3 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Middle of nowhere Age: 37 Posts: 5,436	Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81] Ehhen Doyadosu? Tenguijiman This song is definitely NOT harder than Cold Heart..... /2cents I can easily BF Ehhen, basically because it plays to my strengths, however if we judge based on performance than cold heart would be an 88 in my book because I can't do the file period. However, I think the file fits well within range of 81-83, really it just needs to be looked at thoroughly and it's dependent on many different facts. My choice = 83

10-31-2014, 07:20 PM	#33
Dynam0 The Dominator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Bay, ON Age: 34 Posts: 8,987	Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81] Personal scores mean EVERYTHING in rating difficulty accurately. All you need to make sure of is having a large sample size and wala

10-31-2014, 08:31 PM	#34
Tim Allen B^) Join Date: Jul 2013 Age: 29 Posts: 1,129	Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81] the file is incredibly short and the first third and last quarter of the file are something you'd find in an mid-upper FMO everything in the middle seems to flow well like rushy said and can be cheated easily i feel like if the chart were stepped past the cut (where it sounds like it picks up in intensity) or if the file had been stepped like it was in the middle throughout i'd be more comfortable with the rating but there's too much down time in a file this short for it to be a mid-FGO when the hard parts aren't that awkward or demanding __________________

10-31-2014, 10:08 PM	#36
AlexDest good hot Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina Age: 29 Posts: 5,309	Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81] Not an 81. The pattern control you need to perfect this is nowhere near as much as the other 81s. Definitely more of an 82/83. __________________

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