Old 10-31-2014, 03:23 PM   #21
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Default Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81]

If Cutthroat is an 81, this should probably be an 82.

Although the problem I have with that is that Ah Shwe Bah is 81, and its bursts are on average harder than Cold Heart's.

And Sleepmix [83] is harder than Cold Heart, because not only are there some really nasty bursts that stand up to Cold Heart's, those bursts are surrounded by jumpstreams and such that drain away at your focus. Cold Heart, being purely burst-based, allows for in-game recovery from burst to burst.

81/82

EDIT: Never mind I just played Ah Shwe Bah again, this is definitely harder than that. 82/83
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Old 10-31-2014, 03:39 PM   #22
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The jacks in the song aren't really an issue for everyone, because it's hand biased, and you can set mirror or not.
I have done this countless times already, and I'm still having the most issue with the first half of the song. It's either mess up on the 1-400 non-mirror, or it's mess up on the 400-1034 on mirror.

I'm still holding my opinion on 81-83, but it would have to be a high 81 if it were considered that low. 82/83 is more optimal, especially how everyone is skilljumping like mad lately.
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Old 10-31-2014, 03:45 PM   #23
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especially how everyone is skilljumping like mad lately.
really doesn't feel like I'm skilljumping like mad, just a couple of songs lately have been called to be harder than they actually are.

Ehhen Doyadosu? Tenguijiman is harder than Cold Heart and is an 82.

Halcyon [xi] is harder than Cold Heart and is an 81.

Might be just me, idk anymore. I think Cold Heart is high 80/low 81.
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Old 10-31-2014, 03:45 PM   #24
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Does the difficulty go by FC'ing? AAA'ing? Something else? Cause the file is really easy in terms of speed, patterns, manipulation possibility, length etc etc in terms of how it plays it feels.. insanely easy. Electro v2, Wraith etc other files people have mentioned are much harder to FC because they demand more stamina or speed etc they demand SOMETHING. However Cold Heart in my opinion is harder to AAA because with uneven rhythms, room for pattern manipulation, etc there is more room for stupid error to drop a good/boo.

For a personal example, it's technically and easily more FC'able than something like Etude for the Sinners (85), but I would probably be more likely to AAA Etude because it is much more straightforward. JS, a few jacks, and one fastish stream, as opposed to the "unpredictability" of Cold Heart. I say that in quotes because I'm familiar with the song from StepMania, and it is stepped well imo, so it's easily understood for me.

If I had to give a difficulty, I would personally rate it mid 81 to low 82. I don't think D6 would have so many AAAs so quickly and the worst passing score being 3 goods within the first hour of release if it were actually an 84. With that being said, it has (thus far) been very annoying and frustrating to attempt an AAA on, which is what I want with the tourney, a struggle xD so I'm happy with the choice.

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Old 10-31-2014, 04:34 PM   #25
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Default Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81]

I don't get how you guys see it as 81 or lower lol. The bursts are pretty rough (way harder than sleepmix's.)

Note: Just because it's easier to AAA than some songs doesn't make it automatically lowered difficulty. If it wasn't a tourney song, it probably wouldn't have more than 10 AAA's for a long time.
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Cold heart is the most mindblockable file in the game and is like a 98 to me now
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Old 10-31-2014, 05:08 PM   #27
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I sightread 3 goods on it. I sightread 13 goods on The Heatstroke song. Just providing statitssssics (That's what happened when I tried to correct myself so I just left it alove).
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Personal scores don't mean anything in a rating.
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Hi19hi19: And to give the ever present personal reason, I got a better score on Djentrap in 4 tries than I had on both of these files that I had played twice as much.
Hell it took me 23 tries to get a score with over twice as many goods on bmv.578 and I still haven't gotten a clean FC on Powerpoints because of how easy it is to split the jumps.
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And as always, the pointless personal argument: I'm terrible at technical files, I don't even have an SDG on Beautiful Arrhythmia, but I AAAd Cold Heart within an hour of playing it.
personal experiences hold no credence in an argument about ratings, they're just there for informational purposes.

Especially for sightread scores
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Old 10-31-2014, 06:47 PM   #31
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Default Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81]

Ehhen Doyadosu? Tenguijiman

This song is definitely NOT harder than Cold Heart..... /2cents

I can easily BF Ehhen, basically because it plays to my strengths, however if we judge based on performance than cold heart would be an 88 in my book because I can't do the file period.

However, I think the file fits well within range of 81-83, really it just needs to be looked at thoroughly and it's dependent on many different facts.

My choice = 83
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personal experiences hold no credence in an argument about ratings, they're just there for informational purposes.

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Personal experiences only gain credence if there are a lot of them that agree, in which case it becomes a collective experience.

And difficulty ratings are literally meant to represent the collective judgment of people playing the file.

So personal experiences are worth mentioning, and despite never being the sole reason for a change, they are frequently an important part of a bigger reason.
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Old 10-31-2014, 07:20 PM   #33
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Personal scores mean EVERYTHING in rating difficulty accurately. All you need to make sure of is having a large sample size and wala
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Default Re: Cold Heart [84 or 81]

the file is incredibly short and the first third and last quarter of the file are something you'd find in an mid-upper FMO everything in the middle seems to flow well like rushy said and can be cheated easily i feel like if the chart were stepped past the cut (where it sounds like it picks up in intensity) or if the file had been stepped like it was in the middle throughout i'd be more comfortable with the rating but there's too much down time in a file this short for it to be a mid-FGO when the hard parts aren't that awkward or demanding
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Old 10-31-2014, 10:05 PM   #35
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I really don't understand how any one of you are comparing this file to Wraith, -+, Cutthroat, Ehhen, Ultrasounds, Sleepmix or whatever at all. This is getting bumped down to an 82 regardless.

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Old 10-31-2014, 10:08 PM   #36
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Not an 81. The pattern control you need to perfect this is nowhere near as much as the other 81s. Definitely more of an 82/83.
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