TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

[Not devonin]

I mean, there was possibly a world where we insta'd antori before he even had a chance to log in and address anything. Of course, his addressing of it just makes me even more sure we ought to lynch antori, but still.

[storn42]

i also think guessing alignment based on character choice is a VERY dangerous way to go, and i would not do it.

[Antori]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Also let's clarify something: Is it ok to suspect which characters people have picked? I know sunfan is a huge tool and decided it was bad to hardclaim our waifus/husbandos, but this would make the game simply not fun.

I have a hunch for a few people there, and given that my role is very much well known, combined with the flips we're having, I am 99% sure all the roles are relevant to the chosen characters.

So we could figure out who everyone might have picked and based our investigation on it at least partially. I understand if you guys decide it's not fair at all to play this way, but the possibility of using it far too game-changing to avoid at least discussing it.

Thoughts?

that sounds like alot of lynching and i happen to not like that

[Daikyi]

there's still potential for important information from other players who haven't checked in yet. as an incredibly base example, you can have a cop with a red check out there in people who haven't checked in. lynch is probably all but set in stone, but leaving everyone's opinion in the dark just starves us of potential info tbh

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by storn42

i also think guessing alignment based on character choice is a VERY dangerous way to go, and i would not do it.

Not more dangerous than all of the other speculation we do anyway. Unless it's a host announcement coming from a power role, nothing is surefire.

The only dangerous thing is tunnel vision. I think that if we could guess people's characters and had a strong case against them in the regular interactions, it would and should rightfully weight in.

[Antori]

Originally Posted by Not devonin

I mean, there was possibly a world where we insta'd antori before he even had a chance to log in and address anything. Of course, his addressing of it just makes me even more sure we ought to lynch antori, but still.

keeping me alive is a strategical and smart i approve

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by Antori

keeping me alive is a strategical and smart i approve

lmao

enjoy your 24h of thread activity or whatever

[Not devonin]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Also let's clarify something: Is it ok to suspect which characters people have picked? I know sunfan is a huge tool and decided it was bad to hardclaim our waifus/husbandos, but this would make the game simply not fun.

I have a hunch for a few people there, and given that my role is very much well known, combined with the flips we're having, I am 99% sure all the roles are relevant to the chosen characters.

So we could figure out who everyone might have picked and based our investigation on it at least partially. I understand if you guys decide it's not fair at all to play this way, but the possibility of using it far too game-changing to avoid at least discussing it.

Thoughts?

Given that Xiz needed people to commit to characters in advance, and implied he would be structuring at least theming around the characters, it sounds like you are wanting to opt into a separate wifom for every single player.

Did their pick their favourite, from which we can divine their role?
Did they pick something they thought would get them town/wolf/3p/pr?
Did they pick something unlike what anybody knew about them?

What if 10 people all put in characters that would have made sense to be scum? What if only 3 or 4 people put in characters that would have made sense to be town?

Just feels like a total crapshoot, that maybe we should use for like...tie-breakers but not for picking the goal of the day.

[storn42]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Not more dangerous than all of the other speculation we do anyway. Unless it's a host announcement coming from a power role, nothing is surefire.

The only dangerous thing is tunnel vision. I think that if we could guess people's characters and had a strong case against them in the regular interactions, it would and should rightfully weight in.

xiz making all the alignments based off of characters is a possibility, but it is HIGHLY unlikely.

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

so you're implying the rest of his team would also be on the wagon when they shouldn't, like i said before

you gotta explain yourself more then because either i don't understand you or you don't understand me or both

[Funnygurl555]

traditionally wolf teams know of the existence of a lone wolf and i was assuming this game's no different @daikyi

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by Not devonin

Given that Xiz needed people to commit to characters in advance, and implied he would be structuring at least theming around the characters, it sounds like you are wanting to opt into a separate wifom for every single player.

Did their pick their favourite, from which we can divine their role?
Did they pick something they thought would get them town/wolf/3p/pr?
Did they pick something unlike what anybody knew about them?

What if 10 people all put in characters that would have made sense to be scum? What if only 3 or 4 people put in characters that would have made sense to be town?

Just feels like a total crapshoot, that maybe we should use for like...tie-breakers but not for picking the goal of the day.

This post makes me realize I might have poorly expressed myself.

Of course we can't go straight with this. Hell someone could have random wikipedia'd their characters and that would fuck up the whole thing. I'm asking if you guys are ok with considering this as a potential tool. There may actually be very little accessible info out of this, or even any possibilities to consider, but that may change mid game.

I personally am fine with including character predictions in my reads if need be, like what I said about Haku a few posts earlier, but a lot of you may be strongly against anyone saying a word about it, because that's not how the game is meant to be played.

This is more an ethical question than a strategic plan.

[Daikyi]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

traditionally wolf teams know of the existence of a lone wolf and i was assuming this game's no different @daikyi

pretty sure it can go both ways, especially in a setup like this. like, it's a random shot whether it was in the pm or not, given that xiz balanced on the fly, but that's stemming a little to close to slopefiring so i'm not passing judgment based on that

which is why i said, once we see a flip, things will be a lot more clear tbh.

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back to antori: you answered the question of "why did you kill mellon" with "because i couldn't pick someone else". so to re-ask, why did you specifically select mellon?

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by storn42

xiz making all the alignments based off of characters is a possibility, but it is HIGHLY unlikely.

Well mine definitely is.
Dragon's is.
Mellon's is.
tambo? Well I'm not too sure lol, but that's not exactly against the idea.

Highly unlikely? that's a bit over 1/6 of the playerbase so far. We'll see as the game progresses though, but I can't dismiss it as "HIGHLY unlikely".

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by Daikyi

pretty sure it can go both ways, especially in a setup like this. like, it's a random shot whether it was in the pm or not, given that xiz balanced on the fly, but that's stemming a little to close to slopefiring so i'm not passing judgment based on that

which is why i said, once we see a flip, things will be a lot more clear tbh.

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back to antori: you answered the question of "why did you kill mellon" with "because i couldn't pick someone else". so to re-ask, why did you specifically select mellon?

alright, that's fair

in that case i'll drop the sunfan is town shit, but i still think he's not a wolf

[Not devonin]

It feels like there's one too many layers of supposition for -me- to be on board.

First you have to correctly predict their choice
THEN you have to correctly predict what Xiz did with their choice.

But it has always been a thing with me and TWG that I get frustrated with how much of the game is gut reads and induction so I'm not going to like...wolf read somebody who tries to role read somebody but I probably won't be that easily convinced by it and even if I wanted to take part in it, I bet I'd know jack squat about probably 18 to 20 of the choices.

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by Not devonin

It feels like there's one too many layers of supposition for -me- to be on board.

First you have to correctly predict their choice
THEN you have to correctly predict what Xiz did with their choice.

But it has always been a thing with me and TWG that I get frustrated with how much of the game is gut reads and induction so I'm not going to like...wolf read somebody who tries to role read somebody but I probably won't be that easily convinced by it and even if I wanted to take part in it, I bet I'd know jack squat about probably 18 to 20 of the choices.

Yeah ok, that's more along the lines of what I was asking you guys. Thanks for your input!

[Hateandhatred]

In line with what not devonin brought up, some of us could make guesses based on what they know of the user personally. Not only that's blatantly unfair to others, but that's some serious angleshooting and borderline OOTC.

[storn42]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Well mine definitely is.
Dragon's is.
Mellon's is.
tambo? Well I'm not too sure lol, but that's not exactly against the idea.

Highly unlikely? that's a bit over 1/6 of the playerbase so far. We'll see as the game progresses though, but I can't dismiss it as "HIGHLY unlikely".

to call dragon's similar to his alignment isn't really true. its "kinda similar" in that its a animal there is a wolf, and i dont buy that. especially not with the character. And your role might be for your character, but that doesn't mean your alignment is. most of the game is usually going to be members of town. i think its just a coincidence.

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by storn42

to call dragon's similar to his alignment isn't really true. its "kinda similar" in that its a animal there is a wolf, and i dont buy that.

I might be influenced by how I litterally thought "dragon is gonna pick a dog/wolf anthropomorphic character and is therefore gonna flip wolf" before the game ever started lol.